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Title: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2009, 04:21:07 PM
Here a few Dionysia pictures from our  good friend Alan Newton...........

IMGP1226   Ju Bramley ( afghanica hyb )
IMGP1227   Ju Bramley
IMGP1228    aimee  (hyb )
IMGP1229   denticulata
IMGP1231   bazoftica forma Mayr
IMGP1232   Theta

IMGP1239   afghanica
IMGP1240   termeana
IMGP1241   Theta   ( afghanica hyb )
IMGP1242   bazoftica forma Mayr
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Carlo on January 28, 2009, 05:33:42 PM
Oooof...if only...
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: ranunculus on January 28, 2009, 06:04:25 PM
Oh ... Theta ... Theta ... Theta ...    What a beauty!
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: David Nicholson on January 28, 2009, 07:22:32 PM
Cor blimey, what gems.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: maggiepie on January 28, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
Absolutely beautiful :) :) :)
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 28, 2009, 08:41:16 PM
Thank Alan for showing us these gems Maggi !  Great to see them here !!
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2009, 08:56:28 PM
I rather think he will read your comments and be pleased, Luc!
 He has some very fine plants indeed... and they are well-grown too, though he hasn't many rhododendrons  :P ::)
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 28, 2009, 09:00:37 PM
Well you can't have it all Maggi - at least there's quite some Rhodo's around on the Forum from other sources and very (too) little Dio's... :P
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 28, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
Well you can't have it all Maggi - at least there's quite some Rhodo's around on the Forum from other sources and very (too) little Dio's... :P
I know, Luc, it is great to have the Dios shown here.... I am most grateful to Alan, believe me!
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 29, 2009, 08:13:08 PM
I have to echo Carlo. If only.......we could get them.......we could grow them. Thanks Alan/Maggi for the pictures though.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 30, 2009, 03:45:54 PM
More treats in store, Folks... these photos just in from Ger van den Beuken.......

 Alpiene house Ger van den Beuken dionysia-collectie2 [
 Dionysia afghanica GW-H 1308
 Dionysia aretioides Bevere2
 Dionysia bryoides JLMS 4 vormen
 dionysia Ewesley Theta 2
 Dionysia hausknechtii
 Dionysia microphylla seedling 1
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 30, 2009, 03:49:00 PM
and a second batch......
  As ever: click the pix to enlarge the images.....

Dionysia 'Perlmut'
 Dionysia viscidula x freitagii EGW 94-1
 Dionysia 'Zdenek Zvolanek
 Dionysia'Annielle'
 Dionysia esfandiarii
 dionysias afghanica seedling
 dionysias bazoftica red form
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: ranunculus on January 30, 2009, 04:27:09 PM
Just INCREDIBLE ... and just SO beautiful ...
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: maggiepie on January 30, 2009, 04:42:57 PM
Maggi, I am gobsmacked!!
I have run out of superlatives ::)
If I had to choose a favourite, it would be Dionysia afghanica  ;D ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on January 30, 2009, 04:55:11 PM
Good taste, Helen!
These cushion plants in the primula family row tend to grow mostly in cliffs in Iran, Afghanistan and the likes..... they can be more than a little difficult in cultivation but, as you can see, when grown well they are a real joy.  Out of flower most make very attractive little buns of foliage and then when really happy and full of health, they cover themselves with these lovely flowers.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Carlo on January 30, 2009, 05:05:32 PM
and Ger's list JUST came in in the last day or two..........oh......oh......

edit by Maggi...... Yes, if anyone wants the list  email me!  
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: gervandenbeuken on January 30, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
Helen, it's not too difficult here in the Netherlands to grow Dionysias. Just a matter of climate, some experience and taking cuttings as many as you can to keep the collection up to date.
Cuttings of D. afganica for example are difficult to take but quite easy to root. The problems often start after potting. The plants seem to die back very easy. Also at the moment of potting you have to be also quite lucky with the weather. (not too warm)
This is however not the reason that there are almost no Dionysias included in my list.
Last season I was not focused enough on this genus, which is actually a shame. I will do my best next spring!!
Ger
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Carlo on January 30, 2009, 06:54:01 PM
Ger...great to have you on the list! How's Mariet (oh...and all the plants too...)?
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: ruweiss on January 30, 2009, 08:09:26 PM
What fascinating plants, I fell in love with them since more than 25 years ago when I saw
the first specimen in Michael Kammerlander's collection. In the meantime,many new species
got introduced and many splendid hybrids were raised.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: gervandenbeuken on January 30, 2009, 08:35:14 PM
Mariet is fine Carlo. We hope you and Sharon are keeping well.
The alpines are still under cover but don't look too bad. I hope most of them will survive our rather hard winter.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on January 31, 2009, 11:28:38 AM
Ger,
What is on your avatar in the background?

Wonderful collection of plants.

Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 01, 2009, 04:15:46 AM
Welcome back Ewelina, we haven't heard from you for quite a long time. I hope all is well with you.

Carlo, do you mean the Ger has a LIST? a seed list maybe?

If that's so, please Maggi?
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 01, 2009, 12:44:02 PM
Welcome back Ewelina, we haven't heard from you for quite a long time. I hope all is well with you.

Hi Lesley,
Yes, all is well with me. I travel a little...
Last year I have made 10 trips (in Poland and foreign countries, short and longer), on Saturday I trip again for 2 weeks. Perhaps later I calm down for longer. Although I have still in Poland the places, that I would visit.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: maggiepie on February 01, 2009, 01:13:10 PM
Helen, it's not too difficult here in the Netherlands to grow Dionysias. Just a matter of climate, some experience and taking cuttings as many as you can to keep the collection up to date.
Cuttings of D. afganica for example are difficult to take but quite easy to root. The problems often start after potting. The plants seem to die back very easy. Also at the moment of potting you have to be also quite lucky with the weather. (not too warm)
This is however not the reason that there are almost no Dionysias included in my list.
Last season I was not focused enough on this genus, which is actually a shame. I will do my best next spring!!
Ger

Ger, thank you for your advice on Dionysias, they are truly beautiful and I look forward to next Spring.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 01, 2009, 03:11:32 PM
I'm sorry Lesley, I do not have a seedlist. I have just only a plantlist. I admit however that just a few Dionysias are included.
If you have any interest, please let me know and I will send you my latest list.

Concerning your question Evelina, I would like to know what you mean with, "Your avatar in the background"
Ger
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on February 01, 2009, 03:24:42 PM

Concerning your question Evelina, I would like to know what you mean with, "Your avatar in the background"
Ger

Where have you taken the photo, which you have as avatar? This landscape resemble me something.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 01, 2009, 07:04:15 PM
It was taken in 2007 near the Perito Moreno Glacier in S. Patagonia. (Argentina)
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 01, 2009, 08:05:05 PM
Thank you Ger. Two Forumists have already sent me your wonderful list and I'm about to lie on the floor and scream in desperation at all those incredible saxifrages which I can't have. We have almost none in NZ now - and those few mostly wrongly named, old vars - as we've had a succession of long, hot, dry summers and we don't garden in alpine houses here, just in the open, so we've lost most of what we had.

A great pleasure to see the list and dream...... :P
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 02, 2009, 11:25:28 AM
What is the problem Lesley with growing Saxes in N.Zealand.
Is it a matter of climate??
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on February 02, 2009, 08:48:05 PM
It's partly climate Ger, in that we have to grow them in full shade during the warmer part of the year (4 or 5 months or more). That can be done all right. The real problem is that we can no longer import new stock. The costs of importing are astronomical - many thousands of dollars for even a small consignment so that no-one could contemplate it. All plants coming in have a 12 month quarantine period and as well, must have generic and specific names attached, so that many modern saxes would be difficult to identify back that far.

In 1993, before the current horrific regulations were fully in place, I brought in about 60 hybrids new to NZ, some from the Czech Republic and the rest from the UK. When they arrived their treatment by MAF during the inspection process, was such that not a single one survived. I had a quarantine facility at that time and the full costs of quarantining were not put on the user. Now they are and it is all impossible.

Our only possible way to get new saxifrages would be to bring in some seed and make our own hybrids, a long term project for young growers, but there are not so many of those around I'm afraid. Most of our young gardeners, if interested in such projects, are so besotted by our native plants that saxifrages, dionysias, primulas or whatever, are way off their radar.
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Zdenek on February 04, 2009, 09:26:12 PM
Hello Ger,
I know your alpine house and your Dionysias but your recent pictures have taken me breath, particularly your afganica. There is however another plant which I envy. It is your D. denticulata. I grow it for ages (it however lives about three years for me and I permanently keep it by cuttings) and I am not able to keep it compact. My denticulata is always too leggy. You know my alpine house and its surroundings. Can you give me some advise? Can it be so because my A.H. is too shaded by surrounding shrubs of hazelnut? The same problem I have with D. archibaldii whilst other my Dionysias are quite good.
I attach here a not too good picture of my Dionysia denticulata.
Zdenek
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: gervandenbeuken on February 05, 2009, 08:50:26 AM
Hello Zdenek,
so nice to meet you on the forum.
Your alpinehouse has an excellent place in your garden Zdenek. So this is definately not the problem.
The reason that we can't keep D. denticulata and D. archibaldii in caracter is a matter of climate and substrate.
I have discussed this many times with Michael Kammerlander and it seems that everybody has the same problems with these species.
Also all the cultivars with archibaldii blood have this property of things when they are getting older than 3 or 4 years.
The only thing you can do is using a rather poor mineral mix of course sand, perlite, pummice, tufa grit if available and a small part of good potting compost. So the best remedy is to keep your plants not longer than 3 or 4 years and take cuttings as many as you can.

Ger
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: Zdenek on February 07, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
Thank you, Ger,
I am trying to keep my compost very poor, of course. Nevertheless, after reading your reply I noticed, that I confused it. The picture of D. denticulata is not from your garden, but from Allan Newton, sorry.
Zdenek
Title: Re: Dionysia 2009
Post by: tonyg on February 16, 2009, 11:57:20 PM
I recently visited Mike & Ju Bramley near Chesterfield UK.  They are good friends with Michael K and have Dionysia afghanica hybrids named after them!  (As Zdenek has also I think?)
They have a brilliant system for keeping moisture levels right, copied from MK.  Here are a couple of pics of the deep plunge.  A gravel layer at the bottom is seperated from the sand by a layer of weed supressing membrane.  Water is added down the small pipe and excess drains out into the large pipe which has a plug at the bottom.
The plants looked healthy including some tricky species.

Dionysia afghanica
Dionyisia bazoftica
Dionysia bazoftica Amethyst
Dionyisia 'Judith Bramley' - afghanica x