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Title: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on August 09, 2009, 10:27:19 AM
The Colchicum season has started now.
Here is C. montana. I love this, and so do the slugs. The next morning they were all eaten!
Happily new flowers will emerge soon.

Poul
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: WimB on August 15, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
First one flowering here:

Colchicum laetum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 15, 2009, 07:30:34 PM
I should have posted these earlier. This pic of Colchicum graecum was taken on 3rd August. Alas, it has huge leaves.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on August 15, 2009, 08:29:31 PM
I have the following in flower - tessellated ex Ian Y, atticum, montana, biovonae, speciosum var bornmuelleri and parnasicum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 15, 2009, 09:31:42 PM
Lovely Colchicum, wondering if the montanum would grow here Poul?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on August 18, 2009, 08:16:52 AM
Lovely Colchicum, wondering if the montanum would grow here Poul?

The Colchicum montana will probably grow fine in Switzerland. Mine is planted outside in a raised, southfacing bed with good drainage.
They are unprotected during winter. The Danish winter is not the best for most bulbs, lots of rain and now an then some freezing periods (not below -20). But col. motana handle that fine. The pics is from Saturday morning and is the same plant as above.

Poul 
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on August 18, 2009, 02:05:55 PM
Thanks for your comments, Poul....your groups of C montana look wonderful and I shall try them here on our south facing slope.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on August 25, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
Some colchicums in flower now.The first is a dark Colchicum cilicicum in the garden wet and slug eaten.I have lost the information  where it came from.The second is a paler form which shows the benefits of growing in pots under glass.

The third is a Colchicum sp from Greece.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on August 25, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
What a delicate pale pink on the last one Tony - very attractive !
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hristo on August 30, 2009, 06:11:49 PM
Super looking Colchicums so far!
Our first Colchicums are getting underway here, Colchicum agripinum is popping up around the garden!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on August 30, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
Tony W. is your Colchicum colicicum clean pale pink with a creamy yellow throat?

Catching up with some of mine

C. byzantinus Album
C. corsicum
C. ex Ian Young - very prolific with flowers and increase
4x ?C. cilicicum or ?. Clean pale pink flowers with a creamy yellow throat. 8 inches 20cm tall to top of the flower - while in bud -with a 4 inch 10cm wide flower. Flowering now.
C. attica

The rain is ruining those in the garden
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on August 30, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
This is how the Colchicum from Ian looked 5 days ago
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 30, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
Here is Colchicum corsicum from SRGC seed growing in an outside trough. It doesn't get much sun, even when it's shining, but seems to be increasing. Curiously, the flowers appeared at the same time as the dried pots in the bulb house that won't get watered until Tuesday!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 01, 2009, 02:10:32 PM
Not the best exemplar but still the first bulb to flower for me this season.
C. variegatum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 02:20:09 PM
While weeding just now I accidentally pulled up a small flowering bulb of the Colchicum ex Ian Young. It has just started to root. Anyone want it?

UK/Ireland only. Unemployment means I cant afford to mail any further. Sorry
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 01, 2009, 02:28:22 PM
Not the best exemplar but still the first bulb to flower for me this season.
C. variegatum.

It is ok that colchicum in the wet north start to flower before they do here - but in the still drier south - east... :o ::) ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on September 01, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
Not the best exemplar but still the first bulb to flower for me this season.
C. variegatum.
Wow - tiny.  
Would that be 'var minor'  ;D ;D
Mine look like this - and are in flower now too.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 01, 2009, 02:36:58 PM
Infact Hans it regrated the minute it poped up from the ground  ;) ;D

Being more serious this species starts to bloom in mid August in the Eastern Greek Islands, when temperatures are still above 30c.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 01, 2009, 05:34:05 PM
Mark

a different pot of Colchicum cilicicum from the same area as my previous one showing the inside of the flower.The colour is true.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 01, 2009, 06:16:46 PM
Tony that is a beautiful C.cilicicum, great color.
 
Tony G. are you sure yours is C. variegatum?
Variegatum is much tasselled, star shape flowers, the dry leaves seems to be also much wider than in variegatum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
According to Rod Leeds' book cilicicum should be short, pink and with a white line down each petal. This makes what I have as tenorei cilicicum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Miriam on September 01, 2009, 07:15:22 PM
Wow :o- all are really beautiful!

Finaly, the autumn has arrived :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on September 01, 2009, 07:23:01 PM
Tony G. are you sure yours is C. variegatum?
Variegatum is much tasselled, star shape flowers, the dry leaves seems to be also much wider than in variegatum.

I was sure until you asked but I value your knowledge so now I have doubts.

Here are links to web pages/pics that match what I grow fairly closely.  
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/ColchicumSpeciesThree
http://jimmckenney.com/colchicum_page.htm
http://www.v-d-brink.eu/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=72814

The third link matches my plants best.  I have two forms, below is a pic of the other form.  They flower at slightly different times but seem very similar.  The leaves are quite wide and pleated, the flowers are more tesselated than any other colchicum that I grow although quite pale in colour. 

I also grow Colchicum x aggripinum but the plant below has much larger flowers.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 01, 2009, 07:58:06 PM
Tony,

In the three links you attached you can see that C. variegatum flowers are well star shaped with petals slightly or much curved backwords, and tessellation is very strong.
I tend to think that yours is a hybrid with C. aggripinum..?
I will attach tomorrow some photos i took in Chios.   
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: hadacekf on September 01, 2009, 08:02:12 PM
Tony,
this is my Colchicum variegatum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
Franz please show a larger image of this Colchicum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 08:16:04 PM
Opinions on this one please. All I know is I've had it a very long time and it's most likely a species or cultivar of a species. Flowering now
Height 10 inches 25cm
closed flower 2.75 inches7cm
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 08:21:21 PM
?C. cilicicum
Height 6 inches 15cm
Closed flower 1.5 inches 4cm
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 01, 2009, 08:34:48 PM
Great Colchicii(?) everyone! :o

Tony - I agree with Oron - your C. variegatum (even if it is much larger than Orons 8)) is something strange. If the dry leaves are of this Colchicum they are much to large in my opinion.
I have a similar one as yours but until today no idea what it is (somthing similar or hybrid of  C. macrophyllum maybe).

Here two (old) pictures:
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: hadacekf on September 01, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
Mark,
a larger pic.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on September 01, 2009, 09:04:10 PM
Great Colchicii(?) everyone! :o

Tony - I agree with Oron - your C. variegatum (even if it is much larger than Orons 8)) is something strange. If the dry leaves are of this Colchicum they are much to large in my opinion.
I have a similar one as yours but until today no idea what it is (somthing similar or hybrid of  C. macrophyllum maybe).

Here two (old) pictures:
I think you have the answer .... and perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me.:-[  I think my plant corresponds to Colchicum macrophyllum, especially in the pleated leaves.  I will check the buried labels when I get home to see what they say.  Thanks to both of you and I'd still be happy to swap one of mine for one of yours  :D :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 09:17:56 PM
Thanks.

And this is what I have as C. variegatum, with large-ish rounded leaves like fans, steadily going down in numbers. Is this because I grow it outside?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 01, 2009, 09:51:05 PM
C. variegatum isnt flowering just now.

x aggripinum
pannonicum 'Nancy Lindsay'
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 01, 2009, 10:10:56 PM
Here are three of my Colchicum vaerigatum from different places in SW Turkey.

The colour is poor but I think the discussion centres around flower shape.These are last years pictures,they are not up this year so far.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 02, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
Wow these Colchicum photos are gorgeous, elegant shapes and lovely markings  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 02, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
Mark, your opinion-plant could be: Colchicum pannonicum = C. NANCY LINDSAY = C. HOLLANDS GLORY. I have this cultivar over 30 years. Over the years it came to me with a lot of different names. (Can it be that Your Nancy Lindsay isn`t the right?)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on September 02, 2009, 01:38:01 PM
Mark, your opinion-plant could be: Colchicum pannonicum = C. NANCY LINDSAY = C. HOLLANDS GLORY. I have this cultivar over 30 years. Over the years it came to me with a lot of different names. (Can it be that Your Nancy Lindsay isn`t the right?)  

This is what I got as C pannonicum "Nancy Lindsay" some years ago.  I believe that C pannonicum is now C autumnale, so it's C autumnale "Nancy Lindsay"
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 02, 2009, 01:52:06 PM
That looks correct for my unknow plant. Thanks you two
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 02, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
Diane, I see it like you. NANCY LINDSAY has rich colored flowers, is a gentle plant and blooms now.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 02, 2009, 02:21:27 PM
One plant I have in a pot is the same colour but narrow petals.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on September 02, 2009, 03:21:42 PM
Colchicum photos taken at Rob Pottertons nursery last year. 
C. beaconsfield
C. bivonae
C. bornmuelleri
C. byzantinum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on September 02, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
More colchicum from Rob Pottertons nursery.
C. cilicium purpureum
C. laeteum
C. tenorii
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on September 02, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
.... and perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me.:-[  I think my plant corresponds to Colchicum macrophyllum, especially in the pleated leaves.  I will check the buried labels when I get home to see what they say
I have to apologise for starting a false discussion!  Checking the labels (buried close to the bulbs to avoid damage or loss) I find that both say Colchicum macrophyllum. :-[ :-[ :-[   One form from Pottertons, the other seed raised from SRGC seed dated 1997.  In my defence I can only say that I had them for years before they decided to flower and I have not viewed the labels for nearly as long!
Still, they are nice Colchicum so I am happy about that :)
Now I just need to grow Colchicum variegatum to get to know that plant better!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 03, 2009, 06:06:27 AM
Nice pics, Mike. Do you sure that C cilicicum PURPUREUM is real CcP. I believe, one is false - the flower or the label. My CcP is short without a white center but with intensive color a little reddish. And - it will come a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 03, 2009, 07:03:33 AM
Now also TEUFELSKRALLE is in flower. It looks like HARLEQIN or JARKA but it isn`t. This Plant is a seedling of Colchicum bornmuellerii. Can you help please with informations about the both others???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 03, 2009, 09:54:18 AM
I think the label C. byzantinum in reply 40 might me referring to the small plant hidden behind the big one
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 03, 2009, 11:56:01 AM
Is it possible that Colchicums are mixed up like some Galanthus and Crocus?

In the past I have written and emailed the National Collection holder about Colchicums but sadly  :'( she has never replied
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 03, 2009, 12:16:49 PM
Quote
In the past I have written and emailed the National Collection holder

Far more sensible to ask Richard Hobbs, Mark, as he rescued a lot of the collection when the previous head gardener left.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 03, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
Tony W., the last C. variegatum you have posted is out of this world, such a perfect form of this species :o

Mike
I  cant really see a difference between the 3 first photos, maybe leaves show the difference later on...??
I agree with Hagen, it isn't Cilicicum purpureum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on September 03, 2009, 01:11:08 PM
Tony w., the last C. variegatum you have posted is out of this world, such a perfect form of this species :o


Oron, I presume you mean the last photo of Tony WILLIS, in this reply on the previous page??
Colchicum autumn 2009
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Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 03, 2009, 01:13:43 PM
Oron thanks

Mike I was thinking the same as Oron that they all look very similar and also your Colchicum cilicicum purpureum appears slightly tessellated which looks like a form of bivonae.

I think nursery stock is very mixed up.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hristo on September 03, 2009, 01:33:13 PM
Here be the once Merendera attica, now Colchicum attica or is that atticum?
The red and black beetles that suck juice out of colchicum flowers here, certainly agree thay are in the same genus!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 03, 2009, 02:15:34 PM
Yes Maggi, thats the one from Tony W., sorry ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on September 03, 2009, 02:42:26 PM
I must apologise for the confusion caused by my photos of colchicum, labels just can't be trusted.
These are plants from my own garden, hopefully correctly named.
C. Waterlily
C. speciosum album
C. agrippinum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 03, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
Can someone please tell me who Nancy Lindsay is/was and any details?  Is she still connecting?

Also have a Leucojum aestivum 'Nancy Lindsay'.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 03, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
Hi John,

Have a look at this site.  ;)

http://www.norahlindsay.com/NLNancyLindsay.html
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 03, 2009, 04:21:20 PM
That's intresting Luc,

I wonder what  one should do to become a member of  the 'Lady staff of the botanic garden in Oxford'   ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 03, 2009, 04:24:11 PM
That's intresting Luc,

I wonder what  one should do to become a member of  the 'Lady staff of the botanic garden in Oxford'   ::)

have lots of money!!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 03, 2009, 04:43:35 PM
"Nancy Lindsay chose to live a bohemian, controversial, eccentric, and sometimes difficult life as a plant collector, nursery owner, traveler, artist and gardener."

Sounds like a fascinating character, I'd love to learn more about the "bohemian, controversial, eccentric" side of her!

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 03, 2009, 08:54:48 PM
Mike, fantastic pics of your plants. I hope you show us "only" pics, because the time of WATERLILY and C. spec. ALBUM will came some days later. But C. x agrippinum is blooming here in this moment. Nurseries have their own problems.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Rob Potterton on September 03, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
The stock of labelled Colchicum cilicium purpureum have been mislabelled for many years ..... but never offered for sale. The next time Mike "goes round the back" to take photos i must watch him more carefully.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 04, 2009, 11:05:07 AM
Having read up Colchicum cilicicum in the Flora of Turkey I discovered that it can be slightly tessellated and Persson in the key in her revision of the species (sent to me by Jim Kees in the US) says they are distinctly tessellated,something I have never seen and so apologies for my previous post.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on September 04, 2009, 02:52:44 PM
Now also TEUFELSKRALLE is in flower. It looks like HARLEQIN or JARKA but it isn`t. This Plant is a seedling of Colchicum bornmuellerii. Can you help please with informations about the both others???

I like this cv Hagen. Thanks to show it, I did not know it
Dom
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on September 04, 2009, 07:16:36 PM
Rob I shall have to call when you are away or really busy elsewhere in the nursery.

Mike the mad camera man.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 04, 2009, 07:24:24 PM
Isnt there a Colchicum book being worked on in Gotberg?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Rob Potterton on September 04, 2009, 08:13:52 PM
Mike - i'm busy from September to August  ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Gunilla on September 05, 2009, 01:15:46 PM
Strong winds and a lot of rain the last days. I guess autumn is here now. The first colchicum to flower in my garden is C. autumnale 'Nancy Lindsay'.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on September 05, 2009, 01:22:13 PM
The strong winds are threatening to flatten all the colchicums down.

C byzantinum "Innocence" used to be called just album.  It has tiny pink tips to the petals.  I don't know where the pink one at he left of the clump came from or if it is a hybrid.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 05, 2009, 01:33:22 PM
Plant Finder says byzantinum Album and Innocence are the same but I always thought Innocence was a selection made by John Foster or maybe it was him who found the white form :-\
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on September 05, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
Plant Finder says byzantinum Album and Innocence are the same but I always thought Innocence was a selection made by John Foster or maybe it was him who found the white form :-\ 

I presume that "Innocence" is the only white clone of C byzantinum in cultivation.  And if so, I presume it is either sterile or breeds true, with that little pink tip to the petals.  I've never seen seed or seedlings so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 05, 2009, 09:19:21 PM
One of yours shows what mine do and it would be lovely if it could be fixed. There is a pink line from the tip down through the petal
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 06, 2009, 05:23:51 PM
Dom, next point of equal interest.
Diane, here is white and pink also, but only in one flower and not in different bulbs.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 06, 2009, 05:57:24 PM
Who can help please. Who  knows the  differences between ANTARES and GRACIA? Both came in the seventies from P. Visser. But what is what???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 07, 2009, 09:18:10 PM
My favourite Colchicum is looking great today. I took lots of photographs before the hover flies poop all over them. The first photo is from Friday and the rest show the flowers opening today. speciosum Album is so pristine and white with the lovely green stem
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on September 07, 2009, 09:56:41 PM
Mine look exactly the same today Mark!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 07, 2009, 10:07:25 PM
Good weather is set to continue all week so they should stand up OK
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 07, 2009, 10:41:08 PM
Not according to our weather forecast. Tomorrow is said to be crap!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 07, 2009, 10:54:30 PM
I must check again

I have a lovely short 'stemed' Colchicum flowering since the weekend. The problem this year is missing labels. Where they go I dont know. This one is a clean glowing pink with slight tesselation. I dont have the flower on my hard drive. No leaves are showing.

Anyone know it?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 08, 2009, 09:13:23 AM
My favourite Colchicum is looking great today. I took lots of photographs before the hover flies poop all over them. The first photo is from Friday and the rest show the flowers opening today. speciosum Album is so pristine and white with the lovely green stem

Very nice clump Mark !!  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on September 08, 2009, 10:01:52 AM
My favourite Colchicum is looking great today. I took lots of photographs before the hover flies poop all over them. The first photo is from Friday and the rest show the flowers opening today. speciosum Album is so pristine and white with the lovely green stem

Great photos Mark! Your Speciosum Album look great.
In Denmark we are about 2 weeks behind Ireland. Mine are barely visible above ground.
But other Colchicum have started flowering in my garden.

Poul

 Colchicum corsicum
 Colchicum hybrid
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 08, 2009, 10:07:17 AM
My group of speciosum Album had many more bulbs a few years ago when I sent some to a forum member

Luc has your goodie bag arrived?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Boyed on September 08, 2009, 12:34:34 PM
Mark,

Your colchicum speciosum clump looks really striking!!! Thanks for sharing these wonderful pix. I don't emagine any autumn colchicum more beautiful and catchy than this one. Mine are dormant so far; I hope that they will bloom at the end of September.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 08, 2009, 12:39:13 PM

Luc has your goodie bag arrived?

Not yet Mark - be sure I'll let you know !!  8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 09, 2009, 05:28:40 PM
Today while weeding I realised Colchicums speciosum Album and byzantinum Innocence arent white. The first opens white and fades to cream creamy white. The latter is flushed pink.

Here are some photos taken today
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 09, 2009, 05:53:18 PM
Gorgeous Mark, it's good to see bulbs close up  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Gerdk on September 09, 2009, 08:23:58 PM
Here is Colchicum variegatum - survived winter 2008-2009 to my surprise in the garden

Gerd
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Boyed on September 10, 2009, 06:36:34 AM
It is not a surprise. Colchicum byzantinum 'Innocence' is alwys white with pink flush.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 10, 2009, 02:39:27 PM
While looking through what was flowering this time last year I see what my short Colchicum is. I should have looked first. It's flowering 3 weeks earlier than last year
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on September 10, 2009, 03:07:43 PM
Colchicum sfiksianum ????????
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 10, 2009, 03:22:48 PM
My favourite Colchicum is looking great today. I took lots of photographs before the hover flies poop all over them. The first photo is from Friday and the rest show the flowers opening today. speciosum Album is so pristine and white with the lovely green stem

Great photos Mark! Your Speciosum Album look great.
In Denmark we are about 2 weeks behind Ireland. Mine are barely visible above ground.
But other Colchicum have started flowering in my garden.

Poul

 Colchicum corsicum
 Colchicum hybrid


What are the scillas behind the Colchicum corsicum Poul?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 10, 2009, 04:52:47 PM
two Colchicum bivonae, one from Greece with two pictures showing the outside and inside of the flower and a picture of one with two flowers from Turkey
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 10, 2009, 05:12:25 PM
wolf whistle at Tony's bivonae :o
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 10, 2009, 05:13:42 PM
sfikasianum, Maggi. My mistake ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 10, 2009, 06:04:58 PM
Tony, that must rate as the most elegant colchicum I have ever seen? 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 10, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
Thank you both,I suppose like me it has grown better with age.I collected the seed in 1987. It has never increased.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on September 10, 2009, 08:30:23 PM
Nice Colchicums from everybody.

As I'm a  colchicum beginner I'm happy with my "easy to please" cultivars :D.

C. cilicicum and C. autumnale album now in blossom.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 10, 2009, 09:27:36 PM
in the bulb log Ian said how fast bulb flowers can appear. Yesterday I was weeding where my Colchicum variegatum grows. There was no sign. Today a nose and flower are up but the flower looks pale.

Crocus nudiflorus appeared overnight also with quite long sheaths. One flower pushed through in a couple of hours
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 10, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Here's a small group of Colchicums in my green house
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 10, 2009, 10:13:09 PM
Which Colchicum are they Mark - very delicate with the light filtering through - is there a reason for them being in your greenhouse?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 10, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
RR I bring all my bulbs in while they are flowering so rain and wind doesnt destroy them
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 10, 2009, 10:21:47 PM
I'm very excited at the thought of receiving my first Colchicum montanum bulbs through the post from Tonyg and want to make them feel at home in the Alps  :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 11, 2009, 06:23:33 AM
Mark, I believe to see POSEIDON on the right site of your pic. Two pots??? Yes, the weather destroys a lot of flowers here too.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 11, 2009, 06:39:19 AM
WILLIAM DYKES - touched by light
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 11, 2009, 10:25:07 AM
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Who can help please. Who  knows the  differences between ANTARES and GRACIA? Both came in the seventies from P. Visser. But what is what???


Hagan in Rod Leeds book he says this about 'Antares'
"this Dutch plant has pale pink segments which appear quite white internally but with purple tips. It is of medium size and sounds better than it actually looks in reality"

I have emailed someone about 'Gracia' but no reply.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on September 11, 2009, 11:11:24 AM
My favourite Colchicum is looking great today. I took lots of photographs before the hover flies poop all over them. The first photo is from Friday and the rest show the flowers opening today. speciosum Album is so pristine and white with the lovely green stem

Great photos Mark! Your Speciosum Album look great.
In Denmark we are about 2 weeks behind Ireland. Mine are barely visible above ground.
But other Colchicum have started flowering in my garden.

Poul

 Colchicum corsicum
 Colchicum hybrid


What are the scillas behind the Colchicum corsicum Poul?


It is Scilla autumnalis. I will post a photo later.

Poul

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 11, 2009, 11:42:46 AM
Hagan and RR, the Colchicums in the green house are
back - Faberge's Silver, bivonae
middle - Larisa Dolisa, Jaroslava
nearest - corsica, Jaroslava, x agrippinum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: hadacekf on September 11, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Colchicum time in my garden (Vienna)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 11, 2009, 06:33:10 PM
As ever you Colchicums are stunning. What is the dark one in photo2 and those in photo 4?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: hadacekf on September 11, 2009, 08:00:05 PM
Those are C. bivonae, Mark
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 11, 2009, 08:01:31 PM
Franz, we all wish us such a fine Colchicumwiese. How long the Colchicum can have their leaves? How looks the Grass in this time. I have no colchicum in my grassland, because it`s difficult to nursing the grass (English golf green). ;)

Mark ,thank you for your idea to ANTARES and GRACIA. I have both!? Hm. Or not. Your JAROSLAVNA is also POSEIDON (as Boyed told us), and it`s also Colchicum purpureum, (bought in Prague in the 80`s). The other Bondarenko types are`nt out of ground here. Do you can help me with a source for BENTON END. I have a mail......
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: hadacekf on September 11, 2009, 08:34:13 PM
Hagen,
It is terrible! I have the unsightly meadow of Vienna.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on September 11, 2009, 08:54:18 PM
Hi Franz,
this is only true for all the "ignorants" ;) ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Mike Ireland on September 11, 2009, 09:40:53 PM
Colchicum seedlings have appeared under an Acer palmatum in the garden.  Any help with identification would be appreciated.

Mike
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on September 11, 2009, 09:49:18 PM
My favourite Colchicum is looking great today. I took lots of photographs before the hover flies poop all over them. The first photo is from Friday and the rest show the flowers opening today. speciosum Album is so pristine and white with the lovely green stem

Great photos Mark! Your Speciosum Album look great.
In Denmark we are about 2 weeks behind Ireland. Mine are barely visible above ground.
But other Colchicum have started flowering in my garden.

Poul

 Colchicum corsicum
 Colchicum hybrid


What are the scillas behind the Colchicum corsicum Poul?

Anthony,

Here you can see the Scilla autumnalis behind Col. corsicum.

And the first col. agrippinum.

Poul
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on September 11, 2009, 09:53:11 PM
Colchicum time in my garden (Vienna)

I would love to have such a meadow in my garden! It look so natural, but I believe there is hard work behind.

Poul
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 11, 2009, 09:53:40 PM
Thanks Poul. I must try some Scilla autumnalis outside in a trough.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: pehe on September 11, 2009, 10:00:49 PM
Anthony,

I have lots of seeds, if you want some please pm me.

Poul
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 11, 2009, 11:45:20 PM
Anthony my Scilla autumnalis stay outside all year.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lvandelft on September 12, 2009, 06:51:54 AM
Hagen,
It is terrible! I have the unsightly meadow of Vienna.
Great to see your Colchicum lawn in flower Franz!
Indeed, in spring it must look horrible (for a lawn  :-\), but in August it looks beautiful.
I hardly saw any 'grass' and was so impressed that I made a closer picture of it.

BTW, thanks so much for some unforgettable hours in your garden! :D :D :D
Servus!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 12, 2009, 06:13:54 PM
Colchicum seedlings have appeared under an Acer palmatum in the garden.  Any help with identification would be appreciated.

Mike
What plants do you have in the garden Mike? How big are these?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 12, 2009, 06:23:09 PM
Here is another better seedling of Colchicum corsicum, also in a trough outside.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 12, 2009, 08:23:38 PM
Lovely, Anthony, I'm looking with interest at how to plant Colchicum to best advantage as they do tend to keel over don't they?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 12, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
You all have good eyes, so you like the small flowering colchicum. But what can I do, with big glasses on my nose. Yes, I like the big flowering colchicum. Today very respectable: ZEPHYR and JOCHUM HOF
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 12, 2009, 08:30:30 PM
RR they only fall over in high wind, heavy rain or when they are finished. This year none have fallen over before their time.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 12, 2009, 08:32:17 PM
Hagan I wear glasses also and see beauty in little ones and big ones. Zephyr is very nice
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 12, 2009, 08:35:20 PM
I shall endeavour to give them the best protection Mark 'though no greenhouse to sweep them into   :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 12, 2009, 08:37:57 PM
RR try growing them through short growing Geraniums or grasses
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 12, 2009, 08:41:03 PM
Here is one of many queen bumbles working my garden this week
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 12, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
Mark, the bumble has a good background, white is much better than pink.

Colchicum variegatum is another flower of today - and small.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 12, 2009, 09:39:55 PM
RR try growing them through short growing Geraniums or grasses

Thanks for the ideas Mark - have the blue tufted grass but it's rather a dense mat and will think on geraniums fro next year apart from the wild ones that grow in every crevice  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 13, 2009, 09:26:04 AM
Hello RR, here is LILAC WONDER in a bed of Geranium x cantabrigiense. The real problem is the shadow of the big colchicum leaves. The "under"plants havn`t enough sun. So they grow too long and floppy/flabby.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 13, 2009, 11:05:38 AM
Hagan, thanks for showing the sample of Colchicum growing through Geranium as Mark suggested - the combination is very attractive but I can see the problem of one over-shadowng another....
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 13, 2009, 12:12:13 PM
Maybe yes but the Geranium will respond to a hair cut after the Colchicum leaves are gone. In my garden once Colchicum leaves turn yellow but havent fallen I always remove them
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 13, 2009, 01:09:41 PM
Mark, I used to give my geraniums a trim/haircut in a herbaceous border after main flowering and they responded well giving a second flowering  :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 13, 2009, 08:23:13 PM
I'm afraid the large colchicums have all been recycled. Apart from a white one, the last big leafed one I have is graecum and its days are numbered. :P These two are more my cup of tea: Cc. cretense and atticum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 14, 2009, 09:38:49 AM
I'm afraid the large colchicums have all been recycled. Apart from a white one, the last big leafed one I have is graecum and its days are numbered.

I had never thought you to be that cruel Anthony...  ;D :-X ;)
The two cuties look great though !!  8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 14, 2009, 01:44:05 PM
The 'two cuties' appear to be up to their necks in chippings, Anthony - how deep do you plant them?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 14, 2009, 01:55:42 PM
The 'two cuties' appear to be up to their necks in chippings, Anthony - how deep do you plant them?

Halfway down the pot. I think they are supposed to be short?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 14, 2009, 01:59:05 PM
Some pics of Colchicum autumnale taken yesterday in a pasture near Daveri and in a haymeadow near Chakali.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 14, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
Very nice color variations, sinchets. Do they grow as single plants or in smaller and bigger groups. Do they split a lot?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 14, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
Simon, how deep is the soil in pasture for the Colchicum to grow so well and what sort of position - they are lovely shots by the way?!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 14, 2009, 07:01:11 PM
Hagen- The Colchicums here, judging from the range of shades and petal shapes growing very close together, are not great colony formers by splitting, and I presume must be building up larger groups from seed.
Robin- These pastures are all on deep and humic soils. Not sure about their depth, but they don't grow in nearby fields where the bedrock is exposed in places.
It is still early days just now and these are flowering following heavy rain last week. Hopefully we will soon be able to see fields where you can't put a pin between the flowers  ;)
A picture of an early bloomer up the hill from the house, where the Colchicums are pushing up through the grasses in fields, which weren't cut for hay. They will have big leaves in spring, but you usually can't see them for the grass.  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 14, 2009, 07:16:48 PM
Sinchets/Simon, it must be great "to see fields where you can`t put a pin between the flower". I only know fields of galanthus.
If you could show us  some pics of the sea of colchicum........
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 14, 2009, 07:38:04 PM
highlights of the day
Colchicum variegatum
Colchicum macrophyllum cultivar1
Colchicum macrophyllum cultivar2
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Boyed on September 15, 2009, 08:01:12 AM
You all have good eyes, so you like the small flowering colchicum. But what can I do, with big glasses on my nose. Yes, I like the big flowering colchicum. Today very respectable: ZEPHYR and JOCHUM HOF

Beautiful photos, Hagen!
I do appriciate large-flowering ones very much and mosly grow these.
Your 'Zephyr' is a real true to name variety having charcteristic star-shaped base. I had questions regarding this one last year and eventually found out that mine, which has rounded base is mislabeled.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 15, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
Wonderful Colchicum highlights in your lovely photos Hagan, all so different - the dark stamens are a real feature.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 16, 2009, 05:57:05 PM
a couple out today.

A pot of Cochicum cilicicum and the first of the Colchicum vaerigatum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 16, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
Our Flora Bulgarica lists Colchicum turcicum, callycimbium (or callicymbium) and borisii as flowering now in various parts of Bulgaria. It does not however show any pic of these plants and I cannot find any information as to what these species should look like. Has anyone else heard of these species? At the moment I don't know if they are just synonyms for other species and all I have been able to find is that C.borisii is RedBook listed. Can anyone provide more information?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 16, 2009, 10:42:57 PM
Hagan my variegatum looks more like your macrophyllum this year
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 16, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
Flora of Turkey gives C.turcicum as a species occurring in N Greece,Bulgaria,Yugoslavia and has sites in European Turkey.

Wet meadows and open fields,autumn flowering
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 17, 2009, 09:54:38 AM
Thanks, Tony. Does it give a description at all? All I have from my Flora is the name.
Flowering here now with the names they were bought with - some of which I think may be wrong.
Colchicum bivonae 'Apollo'
C.cilicium ?
C.doerfleri ?
C.'kotschyi'  ::)
another C.'kotschyi'  ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 17, 2009, 10:11:58 AM
I find the pink Colchicums with the white star in the middle very confusing and not easy to tell apart.

Here is a photo taken in May I didnt know I had showing Colchicum leaves in one of my raised beds
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2009, 10:54:02 AM
I find the pink Colchicums with the white star in the middle very confusing and not easy to tell apart.

Here is a photo taken in May I didnt know I had showing Colchicum leaves in one of my raised beds


 I sympathise with that, Mark!  I have a sneaking feeling that many of these types have been given names when they are basically just (unstable !) variations on a theme! :P

I likethe shot of your maytime bed... the foliage of the colchicums looks very nice to my eye  ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Tony Willis on September 17, 2009, 01:01:35 PM
Thanks, Tony. Does it give a description at all? All I have from my Flora is the name.


I will scan the page over the weekend and send it to you
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johanneshoeller on September 17, 2009, 06:58:50 PM
The typical Upper Austrian Colchicum autumnale.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on September 17, 2009, 07:45:02 PM
How lovely they look, standing so straight and wide open like that  in the sunshine-  We don't often see them like that!  :-X
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 17, 2009, 08:24:02 PM
Hans, eine imposante Blütengruppe. Danke. Did you find some different kinds of purple or pink in your population?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 17, 2009, 08:50:34 PM
WILLIAM DYKES, not the biggest, but a fine long-globular and silverypink flower.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 17, 2009, 08:51:14 PM
Fantastic photo of your
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typical Austrian Colchicum autumnale
Hans, beautiful lighting showing the group off to perfection  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 17, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
Colchicum autumnale ALBUM  - if you like small flowering colchicum. Now in best conditions.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 17, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
Hagan, did you take that photo this evening?  It really shows your C. album well in the low light, mysteriously beautiful...they obviously love the position they are in - i'm wondering how long it took to spread so naturally like that?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 17, 2009, 09:30:25 PM
RR it`s a pic of the last year and I selected it because of the good light. But C a ALBUM are now the "bringer". Years ago I had a very big group and I had to thin out the stock. Now you can see this fine display.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 17, 2009, 09:33:04 PM
I can but dream .... :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 17, 2009, 09:45:14 PM
I also like Mark's colchicum leaves. I think of the really big ones as mini Veratrums.  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 17, 2009, 11:57:03 PM
Here's my clump of Colchicum autumnale Album, and C. agrippinum. I much prefer the wee ones, which have been sold to me mostly as C. cupanii, but would appear to be C. pusillum or C. cretense?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johanneshoeller on September 18, 2009, 06:56:39 PM
Hagen, I did never find some different kinds of purple or pink in my area. But I never was looking for different kinds intensely.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 18, 2009, 07:46:30 PM
After a cold night the morning light is much clearer. This is the best time to enjoy Colchicum. Here you can see the silvery WILLIAM DYKES on the left and right is the intensive purple of VIOLET QUEEN.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on September 18, 2009, 07:54:02 PM
Hagen,
nice clumps and well contrasting 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 18, 2009, 08:02:37 PM
More than 25 years I cultivate this plant in my garden. Now I know what/who it is POSEIDON. If you are looking for a purple and good Colchicum, his name should be POSEIDON
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 18, 2009, 08:06:29 PM
Anthony why are your pot grown Colhicums bent over?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 18, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
when I see the great stands of Colchicums I wish I had more space in my garden
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 18, 2009, 09:01:38 PM
Anthony why are your pot grown Colchicums bent over?
Greenhouse tucked in a corner and gets no sun until after lunchtime. They tend to lean towards the sun anyway and extend so the stem no longer supports the flower. Even in pics of plants in the wild they look like this.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 18, 2009, 09:17:51 PM
Is there no place to reposition it? What about a glass or plastic lean to from B&Q
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 18, 2009, 10:34:36 PM
Is there no place to reposition it? What about a glass or plastic lean to from B&Q
Apart from the fact I have nothing to lean anything against, it took me a month to find a spot to put a trough. I don't have any space.The greenhouse is behind the garage with a 2' space between. On the opposite side (east), and a foot away, is a 2' high earth wall and bank that slopes up at 45o to the height of the greenhouse eves. On top of this is a Cyprus hedge belonging to people behind. It must be 20' tall! The front (doors) of the greenhouse face south. The back faces next door's shed.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 18, 2009, 11:30:53 PM
Anthony put salt around the roots of the offending hedge
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 18, 2009, 11:40:09 PM
That would look good. ??? Most of the hedge is behind my next door neighbour's garden. Anyway, I'd rather look at the hedge that the house behind.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: derekb on September 19, 2009, 06:02:29 PM
This is my cupanii sorry about the lable only just noticed that it is behind the flower and that will be dead tomorrow.

Colchicum cupanii.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 19, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
Classic cupanii with its two broad leaves.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 20, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Open on Friday but got photos today is Colchicum cupanii cousturieri looking to my eye exactly like cupanii. What is the difference?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 20, 2009, 06:14:59 PM
They were good while the lasted. Only one year to wait  :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 20, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
That is a lovely potful of cupanii? Mark.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on September 20, 2009, 08:29:38 PM
I googled cousterieri and found no reference   


that's because it's cousturieri
I prefer alltheweb.com to google and I got 72 links:

http://www.alltheweb.com/search?cat=web&cs=utf8&q=colchicum+AND+cousturieri&rys=0&itag=crv&_sb_lang=pref (http://www.alltheweb.com/search?cat=web&cs=utf8&q=colchicum+AND+cousturieri&rys=0&itag=crv&_sb_lang=pref)

The Kew monocot database says C cousturieri = C cupanii ssp cupanii
whereas Paul Christian says: "Closest allied to Colchicum cupani in its subspecies cupani but distinguished by Greuter by the presence of thin purple striae (veins) on the perianth limbs"
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on September 20, 2009, 08:38:56 PM
Mark,
I agree with Anthony. Very lovely potful. 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 20, 2009, 08:57:28 PM
Sorry miss :-[ Names changed and re posted

My cupanii also have veins.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Diane Clement on September 20, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
My cupanii also have veins.   

did you get it from PC?  he is clearly distinguishing this veined form as per the Greuter description
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 20, 2009, 11:25:34 PM
I'll post older photos of my cupanii later.

Most of my small Colchicums died this year so there wont be any side by side comparison photos. They were in a free draining mix so I'm blaming the near constant rain in July and August.

Does anyone keep theirs outside? Mine in the garden aren't showing yet.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 20, 2009, 11:35:41 PM
Mark, the only one I grow outside, in a trough, is corsicum. It seems to flourish, but then these are seed grown, and would confirm Ian Young's belief that growing from seed selects out the plants that can survive in your conditions.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 20, 2009, 11:40:26 PM
No Colchicum, large or small, in my garden has every set seeds and that almost goes for Crocus also that set very few seed pods.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lori S. on September 21, 2009, 03:14:14 AM
No Colchicum, large or small, in my garden has every set seeds...

That seems very odd, since even here, where my mostly common garden-variety colchicums only start blooming late in September, I still find seed pods and what appear to be well-formed seeds, albeit in springtime (on the single-flowered ones, not the doubles.).
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Thomas Huber on September 21, 2009, 11:20:29 AM
Does anyone keep theirs outside? Mine in the garden aren't showing yet.

Mark, I grow mine outside, but still no sign of them here in Germany.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 21, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
No Colchicum, large or small, in my garden has every set seeds and that almost goes for Crocus also that set very few seed pods.
Mark, my original Colchicum corsicum came from SRGC seed and were grown to flowering in the greenhouse. Only when I had spare did I put some outside in two troughs. The fact that they flower, and better each year, is a plus. If I want seed I go back to the ones in the greenhouse.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 21, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
I received this Colchicum from Don Armstrong in Vancouver maybe 20 years ago.  It just came into flower this past week.  Might someone be able to put a name to it?  

johnw - +21c here today, cool tomorrow with showers and into the mid-20's for the rest of the week.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 21, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
Whatever it's called, John, it's really enchanting and I love the photos which look like paintings  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 21, 2009, 09:53:08 PM
Wonderful photography Mark.  ;D

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 22, 2009, 05:55:01 AM
John, if you mean, your colchicum looks like this, than it could be ANTARES. It`s  early flowering in the season.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 22, 2009, 09:39:10 AM
Thanks John.

Hagen is that Colchicum always so bright and clean?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 22, 2009, 09:59:46 AM
Hagen, your C.ANTARES group is just gorgeous in the light and as Mark says looks so fresh and clean - no rain splashing earth in your garden it seems  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 22, 2009, 12:07:25 PM
John, if you mean, your colchicum looks like this, than it could be ANTARES. It`s  early flowering in the season.

Hagen - Thanks I think you've got it.

I should have re-set the white balance on the Nikon as it is pinker than my photograph shows.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 22, 2009, 12:07:46 PM
On the Beech Grove Garden yesterday one of the presenters said "These are naked ladies also known as autumn Crocus or Colchicums" Why do gardening programmes continue to tell viewers such rubbish :(

Also the man, I've forgotten his name, planted Narcissus tight under a Phildelphus saying that as it grows it will hide the untidy leaves of the Narcissus and by using up the water in the soil the bulbs will be kept dry which will help initiate the flowers. I think in time the Narcissus will be hidden deep insdie the stems of the Philadelphus
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 22, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
Books get it wrong too Mark. My 'Wayside and Woodland Blossoms' by Edward Step F.L.S., revised by A. B. Jackson A.L.S. (1941) lists Meadow Saffron as Colchicum autumnale, also calling it 'Naked Boys' or 'Naked Ladies' [and has Autumn Crocus as Crocus nudiflorus]. The book says "it [Colchicum autumnale] is the seeds and the root of this plant that provide the saffron of the pharmacopoeia. The town of Saffron Walson, Essex, got its name from the long-continued cultivation of Colchicum in the vicinity[sic]".

In the "Handbook of the British Flora" (a description of the flowering plants and ferns indigenous to, or naturalised in the British Isles. For the use of beginners and amateurs bu George Beentham, C.M.G., F.R.S; revised by Sir J. D. Hooker, K.C.S.I., C.B., F.R..S., Seventh edition revised by A. B. Rendle, M.A., D.Sc., F.R.S. Keeper of botany, British Museum (1930) describes Colchicum autumnale as 'Meadow Saffron', although it makes no mention of the spice saffron.

Clapham, Tutin and Warburg in 'Flora of the British Isles' (1952) CUP, and long considered the floral Bible, lists Colchicum autumnale as 'Meadow Saffron, Naked Ladies, Autumn Crocus. It lists Crocus nudiflorus as 'Autumnal Crocus'. Interestingly, C. biflorus is listed as introduced but called the 'Scotch Crocus'!

In other words, the misnomer has been perpetuated from the time of Linnaeus (even in "Lee on Botany" dated 1777).
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 22, 2009, 06:20:10 PM
Thanks for the description of C.turcicum, Tony. We are not sure which species we posted pics of last week, as the ones we saw yesterday look more like C.autumnale.
These plants were Colchicum flowering on the coast near Primorsko, about 20m from the crashing waves and at an altitude of between 5 and 7 metres. The plants were far more robust with larger flowers and many more flowers to a plant. Some flowers had very faint tesselations and plants seemed to be more clump forming.
Does anyone have any ideas whether our local species is Colchicum turcicum or a very gracile C.autumnale?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 22, 2009, 11:44:54 PM
John, if you mean, your colchicum looks like this, than it could be ANTARES. It`s  early flowering in the season.

Hagen - I tried photographing mine again today with the white balance corrected. I think yours is a tad pinker. Has 'Antares' been around for a long time?

C. speciosum white form is just peeping through the soil along with C. aggrippinum. A lttile rain might speed them up as it is warm here.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 23, 2009, 06:01:47 AM
John, look here: http://www.ut.ee/botaed/index.php?module=200&op=11&id=85
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 23, 2009, 07:26:19 AM
Posted again for comparison, the pics of the plants which we are not sure if one is Colchicum turcicum or C.autumnale.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 23, 2009, 08:34:07 PM
Thanks for the description of C.turcicum, Tony. We are not sure which species we posted pics of last week, as the ones we saw yesterday look more like C.autumnale.
These plants were Colchicum flowering on the coast near Primorsko, about 20m from the crashing waves and at an altitude of between 5 and 7 metres. The plants were far more robust with larger flowers and many more flowers to a plant. Some flowers had very faint tesselations and plants seemed to be more clump forming.
Does anyone have any ideas whether our local species is Colchicum turcicum or a very gracile C.autumnale?

Posted again for comparison, the pics of the plants which we are not sure if one is Colchicum turcicum or C.autumnale.


Simon,

Going through  the material I have regarding the two species you have mentioned as possibilities , it seems to be C. turcicum rather than C. autumnale..
Brian Mathew says: 'A rather strikingly colored species, non-tesseled [or only faintly]'...

C. autumnale is described as pale pinkish colored, non tesseled.

C. turchicum is described also as a low altitudes plant.

Any way if you will have a chance to take a photo of the leaves later on it would be much easier  to tell  which one it is.

It is very difficult to distinguish some of the colchicum when they are in flower but often there is a great difference in the form, size and color of the leaves,
the form of the bulb can help too.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 23, 2009, 08:49:04 PM
Many thanks, Oron. It wil certainly be easy to take photos of the leaves of the local species.
The reason for some of our confusion is that our Flora Bulgarica lists both species as being found in our area, but only C.autumnale being found in the Strandja, where today's postings were photographed. It also says that C.turcicum grows above 1000m, which contradicts the information provided by Tony from 'The Flora of Turkey'. Flora Bulgarica does have it's quirks though  ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 24, 2009, 04:00:15 PM
First Colchicums are in flower.
Colchicum variegatum which I thought to have lost it as last year I could not find any flower and a Colchicum spec. which were raised from seeds collected in Crete. Any Ideas are welcome.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 24, 2009, 05:35:00 PM
Great photo of Colchicum variegatum, Hans, showing the markings brilliantly  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 24, 2009, 07:42:27 PM
Hans,
The one from Crete is C. macrophyllum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 24, 2009, 10:10:13 PM
Thanks Robin - glad you like it! With such a spectacular fotomodel it is quite easy to make a fine picture!  ;)
Thanks Oron, this was one of my thoughts too, but should C. macrophyllum not have purple anthers and green pollen?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on September 24, 2009, 11:57:16 PM
very nice ex Crete/macrophyllum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 25, 2009, 04:01:24 PM
Thanks Oron, this was one of my thoughts too, but should C. macrophyllum not have purple anthers and green pollen?

Hans
 
Last time i have seen this species on Crete was about 6 years ago, if i remember right, most of the flowers had yellow or darker pollen.
When pollen falls it reveals the dark anthers.  
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 25, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Thank you Mark for your comment. :)

Thanks Oron,
your observation of this species in nature is very valuable as the purple anthers and green pollen are often mentioned - for example in BULBS (R. Phillips& Martyn Rix) or http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/plants/plant-portraits/Colchicum+macrophyllum/73/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/plants/plant-portraits/Colchicum+macrophyllum/73/) and also most picture show this features.
This also helps me to ID another plant I showed in reply 28 which has the typical large leaves but yellow pollen - now the question is how this one arrived to the old woman in Mallorca who gave it to me...  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 25, 2009, 08:59:02 PM
You could always blame the Phoenicians, Hans.  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 25, 2009, 09:01:13 PM
Even if the woman is old - i have some doubt she is so old... 8) ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on September 25, 2009, 09:13:17 PM
 Well Hans, you have a title for a novel: 'The old lady and the Colchicum with yellow pollen'
And it all starts in Crete...
 ;)

Seriously,
Now you gave me something to checkout...
Maybe different populations, [different islands] have different color of anthers and pollen..? ???

I have just checked the photos in 'The Flowers of Crete' [J. fielding, N. Turland edited by B. Mathew], C. macrophyllum there are with yellow pollen.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 26, 2009, 02:13:19 AM
A garden right on the coast here.   Anyone care to offer ids?  They may be regular garden centre purchases.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 26, 2009, 07:41:58 AM
Morning John, I would mean the second pic shows us NANCY LINDSAY and the third could be Colchicum byzantinum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 26, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
One of the latest flowering cultivars: HUXLEY. My hunt is over. More than 25 years I was looking for this plant (and got a lot of wrong bulbs). These original plants came from a very friendly and generously source of GB. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 26, 2009, 01:07:39 PM
Well worth the 25 years wait, Hagen, just stunning shape and colour - can we see close up when it's more open?  Do you grow them in full sun?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on September 26, 2009, 01:24:10 PM
Here's some more pics from the bulb house. C. cupanii; NOT cupanii; pusillum and a stray double cretense.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 26, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
RR, my colchicums grow in 3/4 sun. Now HUXLEY is open.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 26, 2009, 03:14:48 PM
Wow, Hagen, aren't they a pretty threesome  :D

Thanks for the planting advice.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on September 26, 2009, 03:47:08 PM
Hagen - Huxley is sensational.  A great find for you.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 26, 2009, 06:56:03 PM
RR, here is the full situation of my colchicum ground. The bulbs stand under Achnatherum brachytrichum and Thalictrum flavum glaucum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 26, 2009, 09:12:51 PM
'Huxley' is certainly a beauty, with lovely regularity of shape. Funny, how the half open blooms of the first two pictures give no hint at all of the lovely pale centre when fully open.

Your coatal garden colchicums John, are really magnificent. I've planted some single bulbs over a biggish area last year and hope to see them clump up like that within a reasonable time frame.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on September 28, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
First time DICK TROTTER blooms here. It`s (was) a French plant and brought much joy into the GARTEN IN DEN WIESEN. The begin of blooming is very late.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on September 28, 2009, 09:43:20 PM
RR, here is the full situation of my colchicum ground. The bulbs stand under Achnatherum brachytrichum and Thalictrum flavum glaucum.

Hagan, a glorious photo of your colchicum ground, thanks so much - I love the planting combination  ;D

Have just been through your website and find it fascinating to see all the special plants in your photo galleries - a wonderful way to compare the different species.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 29, 2009, 07:59:50 AM
Hagen,
You have a fabulous Colchicum collection !   :o
The setting you've planted them in looks great too and seems to suit them very well !
Great show !
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on September 29, 2009, 01:13:03 PM
Flowering for the last few days in the garden:
Colchicum cupanii (?)
and an unidentified Colchicum just emerging near a label for C.atropurpureum 'Drakes Form'
just added a clearer pic of the 'cupanii' taken later in the day
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on September 30, 2009, 03:43:31 PM
Colchicum filifolium from France is flowering, as well as C. pusillum, from crete

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 30, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
Very fine Colchicums - actually have also two Merendera/Colchicum in flower - M. montana and M. filifolia.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on September 30, 2009, 05:11:18 PM
very similar in culture !!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on September 30, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
yes, flowers are very similar of this two species.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 01, 2009, 12:06:18 AM
Hans, have downloaded your C. montana photo as inspiration for what mine should look like next year - given to me by Tonyg and planted here on my Alpine slope!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 01, 2009, 11:29:11 AM
Flowering just now in the rock garden- Colchicum pusillum (?)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Thomas Huber on October 01, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
Surely not pusillum, Simon. It flowers with the leaves like this:
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 01, 2009, 02:21:25 PM
That's also what I thought Thomas- though the PBS site says it can flower before or with leaves their pictures show it with leaves.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 01, 2009, 04:05:47 PM
As I know C. cretense never flowers with leaves which normally appear much later (late winter/early spring) while C. pusillum can flower with or whitout leaves (see also B. Mathew - THE SMALLER BULBS).

Here an older pic of a form which start to flower without leaves but appear during the flowering period.

Think Simons plant could be a C. stevenii.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 01, 2009, 05:11:48 PM
See C. pusillum here makes me wonder why mine aren't up
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 01, 2009, 05:46:02 PM
There is every chance that my Colchicum is a survivor from the destruction caused by the voles in the bulb bed, which was on this site previously. As such it could be at least 30cm deep and I am wondering if that is why its leaves are later. Is it possible to differentiate between the species by the leaf form when they appear?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 01, 2009, 10:01:41 PM
Huxley is great in fact Hagen. I am glad to see DickTrotter in bloom in your garden. It is a fine dark and late Colchicum.
Here is Colchicum peloponesiacum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 02, 2009, 04:25:06 PM
My first colchicum is C. bivonae and biggest one in the same time. First time last year I have seen this in wild there were only a few. This year also I could seen only a few in the same location, open side of oaks forestier European part of Turkey.
In my garden also it seems very happy.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 02, 2009, 06:10:08 PM
Another one is C.cilicicum (byzantinum) in my flora this is under the name C. cilicicum. This is very comman in my region (Eurepean part of Istanbul) Last year I have seen this colchicun in severel locations and this year also in a new location, always over the meadows open sides. Altitute 100m. or less. It grows very good in my garden also.
Colchicum micranthum; second year in the garden. They looks better than wild.
Colchicum kotschyi; that was a trophy from Diyarbakır. When I recievet it half part of the corm was rot! but I was late to take picture.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: ashley on October 02, 2009, 08:32:41 PM
Those are all beautiful Ibrahim - especially your bivonae I think - and fine pictures too 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 02, 2009, 08:38:13 PM
Really lovely photos of your Colchicum Ibrahim - like Ashley I think C bivonae is remarkable but I also like the shell pink group of micrantham
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 02, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Thank you for all these pics Ibrahim. Such fine bivonae, and micranthum too
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on October 02, 2009, 10:52:09 PM
Ibrahim,
I concur RR and Dom, fine colchicums 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 02, 2009, 11:49:34 PM
Thank's again for all this nice pics !
I always love wild pics  :P
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 03, 2009, 12:01:07 AM
I thank you for all such nice compliments,
I have two more nice colchicum in flower now from South East Turkey. Which is not very easy to identify for me.
The first one should be Colchicum polyphyllum. According distribution and leaves number. (10-25)
For second I have no clear idea. It comes also from same region. But it has only 8 leaves, thiny and long perianth tube, very nice dark color.
It would be great if anybody can help for giving name!!

Ibrahim.


Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 03, 2009, 09:21:12 AM
Nices plants and pics again, but I'm sorry, I can't help you about the name....
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 03, 2009, 09:26:13 AM
Dom, yes (your) DICK TROTTER is a real fine plant, worth to show here in the forum. But my C. speciosum Atrorubens look a little bit like DT. So I have a new question mark.

Ibrahim, your pics are great. Wish you would show us much, much more.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 03, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
Ibrahim,

This is a fantastic collection :o... some are rarely seen out of their natural habitat, thank you for showing.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 03, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
For second I have no clear idea. It comes also from same region. But it has only 8 leaves, thiny and long perianth tube, very nice dark color.
It would be great if anybody can help for giving name!!

Ibrahim.

Ibrahim,

Could it be C. sanguicolle?

If I'm not wrong it seems you can notice the red cataphyll at the base of the flowers [ 2ed photo], can you check it? and also indicate the flower measure + -
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 03, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
Ibrahim, thanks for posting such great pictures! :o
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 03, 2009, 09:46:36 PM
For second I have no clear idea. It comes also from same region. But it has only 8 leaves, thiny and long perianth tube, very nice dark color.
It would be great if anybody can help for giving name!!

Ibrahim.

Ibrahim,

Could it be C. sanguicolle?

If I'm not wrong it seems you can notice the red cataphyll at the base of the flowers [ 2ed photo], can you check it? and also indicate the flower measure + -

Hi Oron,
No ways for C. sanguicolle. These two Colchicum come to me from Gaziantep near Syrian border. They are very close to your region and climate. I thought you may have seen before! The leaves on my last picture does not remind you any of your colchicum?
And what do you think for my C. polyphyllum? Is that correct!
Ibrahim
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 04, 2009, 06:59:10 AM
Colchicum psaridis (thank at the friend who sent it me !)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 04, 2009, 07:22:53 AM
Hi Simon,
I just have seen your discussion about C. turcicum. I was also asking to myself where is this C. turcicum. Because  I was calling mine as C. byzantinum which is syn of C. cilicicum in my flora.
After you ask me, I checked Jim’s colchicum atickles written by K. M. PEERS. She says C. byzantinum is hybrid and sterile species in trade which have different chromosome number but does not known  second species which made hybrid with C. cilicicum. So in this case it is not posible to see C. byzantinum in wild. If like that mine also should be C. turcicum like yours. You are telling exactly my plant.
 
My family live just near Bulgarian frontier and I go to visit my family very often but I did not see this colchicum there.
I am ataching one more sample fron different location again.
If anybody has the description of  C. turcicum Iwould like to have one!.
Ibrahim.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 04, 2009, 08:51:15 AM
Quote
Hi Oron,
No ways for C. sanguicolle. These two Colchicum come to me from Gaziantep near Syrian border. They are very close to your region and climate. I thought you may have seen before! The leaves on my last picture does not remind you any of your colchicum?
And what do you think for my C. polyphyllum? Is that correct!
Ibrahim

Ibrahim,

It might be also C. stevenii [leaves are similar to the photo],  it is difficult to say only by looking at the flower since i don't know the scale.

C. stevenii has small flowers 2-4cm and the leaves [1-3 mm wide] appear while the flowers are still present.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 04, 2009, 09:11:39 AM
Hi Ibrahim
We found what we think is Colchicum turcicum behind the beach near Primorsko- about 40km north of the Bulgarian/ Turkish border. We did not see it further south, but I cannot see any reason why it should not be in other places closer to the border. The border area is a difficult place to visit with only rough tracks and bad roads and we weren't in a 4X4 that day. How is it on your side of the border? I don't know if you saw our posts from earlier this year, but this area is where we also have Scilla bithynica and the gracile form of Galanthus elwesii. It would make sense if we also share Colchicum turcicum  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 05, 2009, 04:26:54 AM
Quote
Hi Oron,
No ways for C. sanguicolle. These two Colchicum come to me from Gaziantep near Syrian border. They are very close to your region and climate. I thought you may have seen before! The leaves on my last picture does not remind you any of your colchicum?
And what do you think for my C. polyphyllum? Is that correct!
Ibrahim

Ibrahim,

It might be also C. stevenii [leaves are similar to the photo],  it is difficult to say only by looking at the flower since i don't know the scale.

C. stevenii has small flowers 2-4cm and the leaves [1-3 mm wide] appear while the flowers are still present.




 
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 05, 2009, 04:29:58 AM
Quote
Hi Oron,
No ways for C. sanguicolle. These two Colchicum come to me from Gaziantep near Syrian border. They are very close to your region and climate. I thought you may have seen before! The leaves on my last picture does not remind you any of your colchicum?
And what do you think for my C. polyphyllum? Is that correct!
Ibrahim

Ibrahim,

Oron, my colchicum has 8 leaves (prx. 10mm, wide), appear in spring and in that region I have no record of C. stevenii !


It might be also C. stevenii [leaves are similar to the photo],  it is difficult to say only by looking at the flower since i don't know the scale.

C. stevenii has small flowers 2-4cm and the leaves [1-3 mm wide] appear while the flowers are still present.


Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 05, 2009, 04:39:56 AM
Oron thanks for help,
But my colchicum has 8 leaves (prx. 10mm, wide), appear in spring and in that region I have no record of C. stevenii !
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 05, 2009, 06:07:39 AM
Only a garden plant. Colchicum autumnale ALBUM PLENUM shows us the first flowers.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 05, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
Quote
only a garden plant....

Creating an absolute picture withe red autumn leaves as a backdrop - Autumn in essence  :)

Wonderful Hagen!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 05, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
Truly wonderful Colchicum Ibrahim !!!  :o
Thank you so much for showing !!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on October 05, 2009, 12:55:56 PM
Nothing special but the Colchicums continue in the brilliant sunshine which, by the way, we won't see again for a week.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Regelian on October 05, 2009, 01:06:54 PM
John,  a really wonderful planting.  How many years did it take to reach its current proportions?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 05, 2009, 01:43:45 PM
A long awaited day of rain, and cooler night temperatures, have brought more flowers out on Colchicum cupanii- and also 'darkened' the shade of pink on the older flowers. Also the first flower on another Colchicum cupanii, from a different source, in the xeric garden.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on October 05, 2009, 02:45:34 PM
John,  a really wonderful planting.  How many years did it take to reach its current proportions?

Jamie - I think it was about 25 years ago that the previous owner planted them.  When he sold the property 3 years ago he took quite a few of the Colchicums so they have increased very well.  Most are store bought but there may be, as previously suggested, a few named varieties in the crowd. They are planted under a Robinia 'Frisia', a combination he loved but I found it absolutely horrifying - yellow and day-glow pink.  Against the blue ocean in the distance, without the 'Frisia', would do it for me; the 'Frisia ' with the the ocean as backdrop works 11 months of the year.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Regelian on October 05, 2009, 03:17:04 PM
John,

I know what you mean.  Fresia is one of those love/hate cultivars.  I can deal with the colour in most settings, but the growth form is abominably 'cultivated'.  Simply too well behaved for the colouring, IMHO.  One sees it clipped into bilious green lollipops in front of shingle or stone houses around here. An aquired taste.  Really belongs in Disney Land.  And that from a man that collects variegated maples and plants them against a RAL blue wall!  Yes, the kettle is black.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on October 05, 2009, 03:27:35 PM
Jamie - A nurseryman in the USA warned me about this Robinia. He said he had received some bareroot, the understock suckered so badly they lost the use of field for a number of years.  The one pictured has never suckered so they must have gotten it right later.

Off to pick up our guest speaker at the airport and we'll look at a few gardens over the next few days, maybe some shots.  Our group is expecting a big turnout for the event.

johnw 
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 05, 2009, 03:34:18 PM
Here is one I received as Colchicum peloponnesiacum -  flowers are larger than flowers of C. pusillum (which is not out so far), yellow pollen.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hristo on October 05, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
A last posting from our largest local population of Colchicum autumnalae, the only population we have found that includes a white form. The white members of this population are always later to flower, some two to three weeks into the flowering at this location.
Cheers
Chris

Hans A, an attractive Colchicum to be sure and John, I second Lucs appreciation of your flowering density! :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 05, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
A wonderful location, Hristo, your C. autumanale photos are so clear in that light  :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 05, 2009, 06:26:53 PM
Hristo, I love your white form picture,... but you should have removed the grass  ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hristo on October 05, 2009, 07:05:16 PM
Thanks RR it was one of those super evenings after a couple of rainy days!
LOL, Fred, many years ago whien I was but a young chap I used to be a rock climber, there was a concept that if you climbed and removed 'debris' from the hand holds and foot placements as you went you were a 'gardener'! ;)
Now I guess as I grow older and take up new hobbies I can now be come a 'gardener' for the perfect flower shot!
I may be in the position to 're-try' this shot tomorrow, I shall post my results.........
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 05, 2009, 08:00:45 PM
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/U_JUMP%7E1.GIF) (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/W_CAME%7E1.GIF)
so see you tomorrow Hristo !!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 05, 2009, 08:20:41 PM
Here is also a Colchicum psaridis, dom may be the same source ??
thank's to him  ;)

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Thomas Huber on October 06, 2009, 10:10:51 AM
My pleasure, Fred and Dom  8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 08, 2009, 06:51:55 AM
To day three little gems

 Colchicum boissieri
 Colchicum parlatoris
 Colchicum pusillum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 08, 2009, 08:26:49 AM
Real gems, Dominique, C. pusillum has wonderful contrasting anthers with the delicate petal colouring  :)

Where do you grow them?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 08, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
I have just added a Colchicum page to my web site. It is nothing compared to the wide selection of plants on these forum pages.

If you see spelling mistakes please let me know.

http://www.marksgardenplants.com/colchicums.htm (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/colchicums.htm)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on October 08, 2009, 01:58:38 PM
email on the way with spelling corrections, Mark!  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 08, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Another great job Mark !!!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 08, 2009, 03:16:39 PM
Thanks Luc and maggi

press F5 because there are some changes
http://www.marksgardenplants.com/colchicums.htm (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/colchicums.htm)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 09, 2009, 09:30:51 AM
We visited the Evroi and Rodopi areas of northeast Greece yesterday. In the Dadia-Soufli National Forest we found Colchicum growing, together with Crocus pulchellus, Scilla autumnalis and Spiranthes spiralis, in open areas and clearings in pine, oak and beech woodlands.
The Colchicum we saw here proved hard to identify. They do not look much like the ones near here, which we have supposed are C.autumnalis, as they are much more ‘star-like’ with pointed and narrower petals. Nor do they look like the ‘standard’ C.bivonae we had expected to find in this area. They do however look similar to the plant pictured on page 240 of ‘Bulbs’ by Phillips and Rix. Here next to a flower of ‘standard’ C.bivonae, they mention that this is a “variable species”, with plant ‘f’ being from northwest Turkey. The flowers we saw were mainly in darker shades of pink with some lighter individuals, but none were noticeably tessellated.
Crossing back into Bulgaria we found similar Colchicum in the Sakar area, which borders onto northwest Turkey. Some of these had slightly tessellated flowers. They were growing at the edges of pine woodland together with Spiranthes and Scilla autumnalis. The woods further along the road also had Crocus pulchellus.
Any thoughts or ideas?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 09, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Real gems, Dominique, C. pusillum has wonderful contrasting anthers with the delicate petal colouring  :)

Where do you grow them?
Ragged thank you. I grow them in a cold glasshouse
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Paul T on October 09, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
Awesome, Mark.  The Colchicum page is brill!!  Some crackers of photos in there.  It reminds me of just how much I miss my kesselringii... love that outer stripe.  :'(  Would you like some other luteum pics?

Without checking every pic...... is there are reason why the parnassicum has a ? beside it, and opens to a picture with a label of parnassos?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on October 09, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
Awesome, Mark.  The Colchicum page is brill!! 
Without checking every pic...... is there are reason why the parnassicum has a ? beside it, and opens to a picture with a label of parnassos?

That may be my fault, Paul: i sent Mark a message about spellings and I meant to add a comment about that.... Mark had Parnassos and I wondered if it was meant to be parnassicum, but thought it might have been that the plant was literally from Parnassos, rather than being the species, so added the "?"  !!  Should have included that comment to Mark, sorry!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on October 09, 2009, 08:21:23 PM
Crocus and colchicum aplenty in the greenhouse here.

Two colchicum species from Greece.  The first I have had for years without being able to name it for sure.  Narrow leaves follow the flowers.  ?Colchicum peloponnesiacum
The second came as seed in with crocus seed from Greece.  Narrow petalled, starry flowers - any offers?
Colchicum baytopiorum - I grow 2 forms, this one with a showy yellow zone in the throat is especially nice.
Colchicum cupanii var bertolinii - generous with its flowers and is increasing nicely.
Colchicum pusillum - small (very small) but perfectly formed :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Eric Locke on October 09, 2009, 09:37:52 PM
Colchicum Parlatoris

Nice dwarf colchicum ,but a shame the flowers only last a few days. :'(

Eric
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on October 09, 2009, 11:19:59 PM
A last posting from our largest local population of Colchicum autumnalae, the only population we have found that includes a white form. The white members of this population are always later to flower, some two to three weeks into the flowering at this location.
Cheers
Chris

Chris - Sorry I'm so late but I must say it's marvellous to see C. autumnale in the wild and standing so straight and sturdily.  I must be those crystal clear skies that do the trick!  :D  It is rather maligned here for its floppiness but these photos should change a few minds.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 10, 2009, 11:03:26 AM
Wonderful Colchicum everyone !!  :o

Chris and Simon, I love it whenever you take us out on a stroll in the mountains !! Always great information and stunning pix !

Tony, I'm with you on C. baytopiorum !! What a beauty !!

Eric a really good looking wee dwarf that is !!!

Thanks for showing all  !  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 10, 2009, 12:21:41 PM
Quote
Crocus and colchicum aplenty in the greenhouse here.

Such a wonderful show of your Colchicum, Tony,  you must be very pleased - all are lovely in their own way but the tiny Colchicum pusillum is so cute, where does it grow in the wild?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 10, 2009, 03:14:28 PM
I must knock out my baytopiorum and see what's happening. I know from last year the centre isnt as yellow as yours but now that I've looked up a photo it looks nothing like mine. I'm also thinking I didnt photograph it here because I dont top dress with gravel.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 10, 2009, 03:27:59 PM
I must knock out my baytopiorum and see what's happening. I know from last year the centre isnt as yellow as yours but now that I've looked up a photo it looks nothing like mine. I'm also thinking I didnt photograph it here because I dont top dress with gravel.

Mark
I think your plant is C. baytopiorum afterall.
Your plant has a wider, rounder petals but you can notice the swollen yellow bases of the filaments which are typical to this species.
Another point is that the flower in your photo is not mature yet, I'm sure later on it would have 'stretched' more its petals and filaments.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 10, 2009, 04:55:12 PM
Colchicum peloponesiacum, very generous
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 10, 2009, 05:14:32 PM
sorry about the size of the photo. I checked mine and there is no sign of life - no roots and no flower spathe
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 10, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Paul I have fixed the mistake and added c10 new images. Thanks for the input Maggi
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: derekb on October 10, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
One from me it came from Janis in 2007,
Colchicum szowitsii vardahovit.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 11, 2009, 07:17:29 PM
I thought, the garden time of colchicum would be over for this year. But these days DICK TROTTER came out to see our gardenworld. This cultivar was new for me. I got my first bulb from Dom and now are some more in flower. DICK TROTTER is really one of the best cultivares I ever saw.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 11, 2009, 07:21:17 PM
It is Hagen - and what a great contrast it makes with the yellow of the fallen leaves !!  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 11, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
It is Hagen - and what a great contrast it makes with the yellow of the fallen leaves !!  :)

I agree with Luc, Hagen, a sensational Colchicum against the yellow.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Alessandro.marinello on October 11, 2009, 10:20:45 PM
Colchicum byzantinum and C. cilicicum var. purpureum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 11, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Hagen, yes it is one of the best. Happy to see it in your garden
Dom
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Joakim B on October 12, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Some very nice photos both in the wild and in collection.

I just bought a C autumnale album and wonder if I can have it in the garden or it needs a pot. I can provide a spot besides amaryllis belladonna to give an indication of what grows there already.
Would this be a good spot?

All the best
Joakim
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: hadacekf on October 12, 2009, 06:01:49 PM
Joakim,
I have no problem with this colchicum outside in my meadow.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Joakim B on October 12, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
Franz thanks for the information.  ;D I will try it in the bed close to the amaryllis.
Kind regards
Joakim
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 12, 2009, 07:19:41 PM
They are baked solid into the clay soils of the meadows around here in summer, Joakim.  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 12, 2009, 09:04:44 PM
Alessandro, may be C byzantinum and C cilicicum are the same???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Alessandro.marinello on October 12, 2009, 09:32:35 PM
Alessandro, may be C byzantinum and C cilicicum are the same???
Hagen
They are considered the same species, the byzantinum is the double of largeness also in the flower????
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 12, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
Found some little stars in the garden  ;) (C.pusillum)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 12, 2009, 09:42:25 PM
It is Hagen - and what a great contrast it makes with the yellow of the fallen leaves !!  :)
I agree with Luc, Hagen, a sensational Colchicum against the yellow.
You'd both be happy then, with colchicums under Robinia 'Frisia?' ???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 13, 2009, 08:11:58 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Joakim B on October 13, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
Simon then I think that the place will be good for them.
Thanks
Joakim
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 16, 2009, 08:16:34 AM
Colchicum season starts here, first one is C. feinbruniae, a rare species growing generally on basaltic soils, N. Israel, Syria and Lebanon.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 16, 2009, 08:25:03 AM
A beautiful plant, Oron. Does it grow at altitude?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 16, 2009, 01:25:16 PM
A beautiful plant, Oron. Does it grow at altitude?

Simon

I have seen this  species growing  at levels of about 700-1300m.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 16, 2009, 07:06:55 PM
It's very striking in the pattern, Oron, quite beautiful  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 17, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
Thanks Ragged, this species is 10 times more striking when you see it in its native habitat with the dark basaltic soil as background.


Today opened C. troodii, a common species from the East Mediterranean, Cyprus, S. Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Israel.
It grows in the shade of trees, usually Oaks and Pistacias.
A mature bulb can produce dosens of flowers!!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on October 17, 2009, 08:02:29 PM
Nice Colchicum. I have feinbruniae of seeds (3 years) have to wait one or two years to see such beautiful as you show
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Paul T on October 17, 2009, 11:17:29 PM
Oron,

Nice!!  I quite like the spidery form of that one.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Regelian on October 18, 2009, 03:24:25 PM
A shot of a new one for me, Apollo.  The other two shots are from an unknown in the garden.  I had assumed it to be a form of C. autmnale, but really have no idea.

C. bovinae 'Apollo'
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Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 18, 2009, 08:45:18 PM
Both yours are delightful Oran. The pictures of C. troodii have finally convinced me that what I have as that species, are something else. I'll post when in flower next autumn and hope for a clue.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: I.S. on October 18, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
Oron your C. feinbruniae is superb!.
It can be a very good garden plant.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 19, 2009, 07:08:04 AM
Both yours are delightful Oran. The pictures of C. troodii have finally convinced me that what I have as that species, are something else. I'll post when in flower next autumn and hope for a clue.

Lesley

This species can be identified also by its typical leaves, 3 relatively wide leaves on a long leg, if you can take a photo of your plant i might be able to help.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 19, 2009, 07:14:02 AM
Nice Colchicum. I have feinbruniae of seeds (3 years) have to wait one or two years to see such beautiful as you show
Oron your C. feinbruniae is superb!.
It can be a very good garden plant.

Thanks

Ibrahim
I think it would be a wonderfull garden plant,
the only problem is that it takes 6-7 years to mature, and usually it doesn't germinate the first year [in my experience] and so i don't see nurseries enthusiastic to grow it commercially.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 19, 2009, 08:29:48 PM
Thanks Oron, it would be great if you could help. I've had the pictures on the Forum before but without response. These were taken two years ago I think.

Flowers first in the autumn, then springtime leaves.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 19, 2009, 09:45:59 PM
C. feinbruniae is superb!

This Colchicum is one I am not sure about the correct ID - it seems to be C. macrophyllum ( pattern is visible on the second picture and it also produces the typical macrophyllum foliage).
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 20, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
Thanks Oron, it would be great if you could help. I've had the pictures on the Forum before but without response. These were taken two years ago I think.

Flowers first in the autumn, then springtime leaves.

Lesley,

This is a real difficult one!!!

the flowers are quite similar to a few species but the leaves are particular, i must say i have never seen something similar.
As you described it blooms in Autumn and leaves appear in spring, that means it is a high altitude plant that is covered by snow all winter in its native habitat.
That was a first clue for me to look for these species than start to look for descriptions of these particular, low growing, a bit undulate, 3 leaves with a marked vain in the middle.

The only description i have found similar is C. heldreichii, a relatively new species, which grows at 1600-2338m, endemic to west and center Turkey.

In order to confirm it there is a need to take a few measures and see the bulb.

Hope it is some kind of a help, any way thanks to you i have read finally a few articles which were waiting for a long time about new species from the region.
 


Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on October 21, 2009, 03:25:54 AM
C. aggripinum still giving a show here at a friend's. She likes this one due to the smallish leaf size.

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 21, 2009, 05:57:58 AM
All that is no help at all Oron. ;D I'll lift some and take a picture of the bulbs in summer. Originally I bought it in NZ as Colchicum arenarium but was then told it was troodii. ???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 21, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
Lesley- i don't know if it is any help to you, but I have been trying to track down information on a Bulgarian 'endemic' species - Colchicum borisii. I have seen it listed as a synonym for C.arenarium online- though it doesn't look much like C.arenarium in flower- judging from the pics I have seen online of this species.
C.umbrosum was also listed as C.arenarium umbrosum on a list of Turkish species, but looks quite different from 'standard' C.arenarium as far as I can see... So what I am thinking is that maybe C.arenarium is just quite 'variable' with forms from 'different' areas looking quite 'different'.  ;) Sound familiar? We still don't know if the plants we saw in the north of Greece and south of Bulgaria were just 'pointy' petalled C.autumnale or gracile C.bivonae... or... or... and I guess we will have to go back and look at the leaves in spring. Any idea of where yours came from?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 21, 2009, 05:31:07 PM
All that is no help at all Oron. ;D I'll lift some and take a picture of the bulbs in summer. Originally I bought it in NZ as Colchicum arenarium but was then told it was troodii. ???

Lesly and Simon,

I don't think it is C. arenarium which is a species with tiny flowers and has 5 leaves, and definitely not C. troodii.

There are 'only' about 100 species of Colchicum... we will continue the research,
if we will not find a name for it we can name it C. leslyi, which sounds very nice, with your approval offcourse ;)

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 21, 2009, 07:07:15 PM
Lol- I suppose given that the name Colchicum confusum has already been used to describe a Greek species, C.leslyi will be the next best name.  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 21, 2009, 09:21:03 PM
Oh yes, I'd be very happy with that. ;D I had it from a NZ nursery, no longer in existence, though I know its owner so may be able to find something more about it. Thanks, gentlemen, for your efforts.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 22, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
Some C. stevenii are out - one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 22, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
That is very special, Hans, the arrangement of anthers look wonderful in the second photo  :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on October 22, 2009, 05:53:34 PM
Hans, die Staubgefäße geben der Blüte ein besonderen Kick. More than only beautiful
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 22, 2009, 08:47:58 PM
Some C. stevenii are out - one of my favourites.

I can see why Hans !! Beautiful !!  8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 22, 2009, 10:06:32 PM
Splendid Hans, they looks like in the wild, and wonderfull pictures,

Congratulations.

where is this species from ?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on October 22, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
Some C. stevenii are out - one of my favourites.

They look quite different to me, Hans.... the first in the flower shape and anther colour and it seems to have more than 3 leaves per bulb..... ???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 23, 2009, 11:47:58 AM
Thanks to all!
Fred, as I know this species grows from South Parts of Turkey in the north to Israel.

They look quite different to me, Hans.... the first in the flower shape and anther colour and it seems to have more than 3 leaves per bulb..... ???

C.stevenii seems to be a very variable species and in  google you will also find plants with very narrow petals on reliable hps. As I received both varieties from very skilled and knowledge grower I never had any doubt about the names ::).

I do not have a good key for colchicum and checking B. Mathews "Smaller Bulbs" he mentioned yellow Anthers, while in the pictures of Peter Sheasbys "Bulbous plants - Turkey and Iran" the showed plants have purple Anthers (remembers me a bit the discussion we had about C. macrophyllum) - and following this book it should have 2-5 flowers and 4-8 narrow leaves. ::)
Until now I could not check the number of the leaves, nor other sources.

Maggi (or perhaps Oron), do you have some more information?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: WimB on October 23, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
One Colchicum montanum flowering here now.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 23, 2009, 04:34:52 PM
I've some Colchicum from Crete, all of them C. pusillum, but this one is quite different : several flowers, pale pink, almost white, and no leaves at flowering time; does someone have an idea ???
Unfortunately not widely open as the weather is bad today !
may be better tomorrow ...
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 23, 2009, 04:46:30 PM
Well, shame on me !!
I'm a bit lazy today and I've posted before to search the answer  :-[ :-[ :-[
I think it's Colchicum cretense, what do you think ??
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 23, 2009, 08:44:59 PM
One Colchicum montanum flowering here now.
Wim, I'm so jealous - it looks lovely - not one nose out of the ground yet but I'm still hoping  ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on October 23, 2009, 09:20:13 PM
One Colchicum montanum flowering here now.
Wim, I'm so jealous - it looks lovely - not one nose out of the ground yet but I'm still hoping  ::)
:'( I think it might be too late now Robin, mine finished weeks ago.  Hoping for better next year.  How are the Crocus sativus?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 23, 2009, 09:34:12 PM
Tony, C sativus are up and looking happy since the rain - we had a long cold dry spell....wondering if I did something wrong  ::)  Would have thought your C montana would be happy on a slope in their own bed  :(   Things are still growing though as it has warmed up again.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: WimB on October 24, 2009, 08:47:35 AM
One Colchicum montanum flowering here now.
Wim, I'm so jealous - it looks lovely - not one nose out of the ground yet but I'm still hoping  ::)

Robin,

I bought four last year and only that one which was planted in a trough survived  :'( I'm glad I still have one though.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Ragged Robin on October 24, 2009, 09:54:25 AM
Very happy for you, Wim, and hope your C montana survivor multiplies  :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 24, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Well, shame on me !!
I'm a bit lazy today and I've posted before to search the answer  :-[ :-[ :-[
I think it's Colchicum cretense, what do you think ??


Fred,
it is C. cretense, great photo.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on October 24, 2009, 10:59:35 AM
Some C. stevenii are out - one of my favourites.

They look quite different to me, Hans.... the first in the flower shape and anther colour and it seems to have more than 3 leaves per bulb..... ???

Hans, wonderfull photo, it is also my favorite colchicum. ;)

Maggi,

C. stevenii is the most common and most variable species in this region, it blooms in millions just two weeks after the first rain and its common Hebrew name is 'First rain's Colchicum' which every little child knows.

Here are some photos of it, usually it grows in company of Scilla autumnalis .
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 24, 2009, 11:13:40 AM
Splendid views Oron - the clump on your last picture is amazing !!!  :o
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on October 24, 2009, 11:22:32 AM
Oh, My Word! Oron, such pictures!!  8) Thank you!!  :-*
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 24, 2009, 12:52:49 PM
Here is Colchicum filifolium growing in amongst scrub at the edge of a ploughed field near Ca'n Picafort, Mallorca. There seemed to be quite a variation in tepal width.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 24, 2009, 01:35:55 PM
Fantastic clumps Oron; should be very nice to take picture inside this station  :)
Thank's for confirmation of C. cretense.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 24, 2009, 01:37:38 PM
Some C. stevenii are out - one of my favourites.
That is beautiful Hans. I love these wee ones, but that one has character. 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 24, 2009, 03:43:35 PM
well, it's not really sunny today but Colchicum cretense is widely open :

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Darren on October 24, 2009, 04:02:56 PM
My C.cupanii from a Salmon & Lovell collection is slightly past its best but still looking good today.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 24, 2009, 04:34:58 PM
How many corms in the pot ???  :o
fantastic show clump Darren.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 24, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
Superb.  8) Very different from what I have as cupanii (two sources), which have leaves almost an inch wide.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: johnw on October 24, 2009, 04:57:56 PM
My C.cupanii from a Salmon & Lovell collection is slightly past its best but still looking good today.

Darren - A stunning display, well done!  :D

johnw
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on October 24, 2009, 05:30:12 PM
Glorious potful, Darren.... well done with that  8) 8)
While looking for another plant I was reminded of this pic from the Loughborough show..... the leaves of this one are wider, I think..... http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4273.msg112988#msg112988

Just the right size for a good pot subject, aren't they?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 24, 2009, 05:46:19 PM
Gorgeous potful Darren !!!  :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 24, 2009, 05:47:56 PM
From Israel, Colchicum hierosolymitanum, that I grow in a pot, in the bulb frame as I wonder if it's hardy here ???

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 24, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
Great pictures everyone! :o

Will need some time here until C. stevenii will make such a great show like in Israel. ;)

Fred very fine C. cretense and C. hierosolymitanum. Not always easy to seperate from C. pusillum - here a C. pusillum which started flowering without leaves but leaves appear while flowering so this should not be C. cretense (leaves always appear after flowering I have been told) - I have never seen colchicums in crete but possibly C.pusillum and C.cretense produce hybrids or maybe C. cretense is only a local form of the higher mountains? ::)

Here two pics of the same plant taken with a few days of difference.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 24, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Colchicum cretense is supposed to have brown anthers and C. pusillum yellow.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on October 24, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
the other main diference ( not esay to see in cultivation ) is that C. cretense is a moutain plant, while C. pusillum a low land plant.

Regarding anthers color, I'll check with my C. pusillum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 25, 2009, 12:40:22 AM
The other main diference ( not easy to see in cultivation ) is that C. cretense is a mountain plant, while C. pusillum a low land plant.


Alas, my plants, from different suppliers, are just labelled "Crete" with no reference to altitude. ???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Hans A. on October 25, 2009, 08:34:36 AM
Anthony, I would welcome if it would be possible to tell apart one Colchicum species from another by colouration of anthers (as for many crocus is possible). Greyish brown anthers are said to be typical for C. cretense - but in my opinion the reverse does not work with C. pusillum. It might have yellow anthers but not necessary has to. In "Bulbous plants of Turkey and Iran/P.Sheasby"  there is one C. pusillum shown with greyish /brown anthers - and also here in this forum are some examples (Reply 230 + 312). A rule B. Mathew mentioned in "Smaller Bulbs" still seems to be valid -  C.cretense  flowers without leaves and C. pusillum with leaves or appear while / short after flowering.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Darren on October 25, 2009, 11:20:57 AM
Thanks all for the kind comments on that cupanii. It is one of the nicest forms I have seen and always attracts attention if I take it to group meetings. There are about 20 flowering size corms in the pot and loads of little ones. I get seed occasionally too but it rarely germinates. It was bulked up from 3 corms bought from Monocot nursery about ten years ago.
Here is a pic of it at an earlier stage when the first flowers had opened and it was only about 5cm high. It has a lovely honey scent too.
Just popped out to check the collectors number - it is SL482.


Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: tonyg on October 25, 2009, 04:07:37 PM
I grow an S&L C cupanii labelled as var bertolinii.  It looks very similar to yours and is also quite vigorous.  Your potful is a very fine one :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 26, 2009, 12:03:26 AM
While I can't add anything whatsoever that is useful or interesting to this topic, I do want to thank all those posters of information and pictures. It all adds up to a great overall picture of the genus and gives me and many others so much pleasure.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: olegKon on October 26, 2009, 11:16:24 AM
Colchicum davisii (sorry for the quality of the picture, the weather is really disgusting)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 27, 2009, 05:12:14 PM
ID please ??
I posted this here as all Colchicum specialists are loikely to visit here more often than in the ID section..  :-\

A friend of mine visited the Ionian island of Zakynthos (sometimes also referred to as Zante) in Greece recently and would appreciate an ID of the following Colchicum.

Thanks for your ideas !  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 29, 2009, 08:21:40 AM
anybody ???  :-\
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on October 29, 2009, 09:02:44 PM
Luc,
if your unknown colchicums would be crocus I likely had a clue :P
Sorry.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on October 31, 2009, 01:47:34 PM
Luc, have you seen this thread from last spring?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3244.msg82255 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3244.msg82255)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 31, 2009, 02:01:06 PM
Sorry Luc I dont know. I dont know their size but they look like C. corsicum
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Anthony Darby on October 31, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Sorry Luc I dont know. I dont know their size but they look like C. corsicum
In Zakynthos!? ???
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on October 31, 2009, 04:16:30 PM
I know nothing about Greece
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on November 05, 2009, 05:21:27 PM
Paul I only just read your offer of Colchicum luteum photos - yes please
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on November 05, 2009, 05:45:21 PM
Today was the day to re do the plunge in the green house. Autumn flowerers out to the holding area and winter/spring flowerers in.

I was amazed to see Colcicum luteum with a bud and luteum x kesselringii.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on November 06, 2009, 07:34:16 PM
and ... my cretense is in full flower now compared to late December last year ::)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on November 08, 2009, 04:32:38 PM
early Colchicums continue  ::) kessellringii has a flower open and the white form has burst through the sheath
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on November 08, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
Crazy !!
I had a look this afternoon on my plants but still no sign of vegetation except small leaves for T. cyanocrocus.
Mark, you have a tropical climate  ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on November 08, 2009, 08:49:50 PM
sorry for very bad quality photos >:(
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on November 19, 2009, 05:32:33 PM
Colchicum stevenii is still in bloom here, these photos where taken this morning.
Interestingly I have noticed last week that all the populations in Cyprus have purple stamens, a fact that has resolved a few identification questions...
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: DaveM on November 19, 2009, 09:12:07 PM
Luc

Looking at the link given by Simon, yours is certainly the same species which Maggi gave as C autumnale. Not sure that I'm going to clear this up, but I think there are a couple of options here: C autumnale and C lingulatum; both occur in the area. Though the photos are superb! it's difficult to be sure about size which seems to matter here. C lingulatum has tepals that are 3-4cm long and 0.5 to 1cm wide, whereas.. autumnale is larger at 4.5 to 6 cm long and 1-1.5cm wide. Of no help of course is that the leaves of C lingulatum apparently lie flat on the ground.......
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: art600 on November 19, 2009, 09:31:32 PM
sorry for very bad quality photos >:(


More water with the whisky ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on November 19, 2009, 09:58:33 PM
Luc

Looking at the link given by Simon, yours is certainly the same species which Maggi gave as C autumnale. Not sure that I'm going to clear this up, but I think there are a couple of options here: C autumnale and C lingulatum; both occur in the area. Though the photos are superb! it's difficult to be sure about size which seems to matter here. C lingulatum has tepals that are 3-4cm long and 0.5 to 1cm wide, whereas.. autumnale is larger at 4.5 to 6 cm long and 1-1.5cm wide. Of no help of course is that the leaves of C lingulatum apparently lie flat on the ground.......

Good point, David, looking at Luc's pal's pix again.... these do seem to be on a smaller scale than perhaps one would expect of  C.autumnale...... errrrmmm!  :-\
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: DaveM on November 19, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
Well, Maggi - Luc's pal will just have to go back in the spring and look at the leaves if he wants the correct name......... :D :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on November 19, 2009, 10:29:29 PM
Well, Maggi - Luc's pal will just have to go back in the spring and look at the leaves if he wants the correct name......... :D :D

 That's fine, we can wait for the pix, huh?!! :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 20, 2009, 09:03:30 AM
Well, Maggi - Luc's pal will just have to go back in the spring and look at the leaves if he wants the correct name......... :D :D

 That's fine, we can wait for the pix, huh?!! :D

Thanks Dave and Maggi - I will instruct him accordingly...  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2009, 09:28:57 PM
sorry for very bad quality photos >:(


More water with the whisky ;D

Nooo. LESS wter with the whisky :D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on November 22, 2009, 06:19:51 PM
to day with sun, Colchicum hirsutum, very minute plant
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2009, 10:24:37 PM
A hairy colchicum?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on November 22, 2009, 11:35:17 PM
Lesley the hairs are more seen when well developped
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on November 23, 2009, 12:04:03 AM
Much further than mine Dom. My plants only have noses above soil level.

Very exciting is my kesselringii 'Yeti' has three noses. Many flowers but the light levels have been very dark.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 23, 2009, 02:01:11 PM

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Thanks Dave and Maggi - I will instruct him accordingly...  ;D ;)
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Many thanks to everyone (above all Luc).Good idea to go back and leaving our wet country.But we are just back from a visit to Cyprus (2 different Colchicums overthere) :)
On few plants we saw in Zakynthos were some leafs (11 small leafs))and so I could identify the plants as C.parlatoris after reading the new book on the flora of Greece.Karin Persson was agree with this point of view.
There was already a confirmation on her side.
Kris De Raeymaeker ,Belgian member but no practical experience with the forum (sorry for that )
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on November 23, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Hello, Kris!  A very warm welcome to you! We are  happy to hear from you and there will always be someone to help with posting your photos of interesting plants on the forum. We will look forward to your next travels!  8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 23, 2009, 04:47:04 PM
Welkom Kris !

Another Belgian to deal with Maggi...  8)  ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 23, 2009, 05:05:49 PM
Thanks Maggi , I do my best to share more pictures and experiences in the future.I hope to come back soon with a few pictures from our latest trip to Cyprus.
Yes Luc, Belgian support for you !
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on November 23, 2009, 06:52:41 PM
 HaHa, yes! The Belgian contingent must be one of the strongest groups in the Forum!  8) 8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: David Nicholson on November 23, 2009, 07:06:50 PM
and "Welkom" from me too Kris.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2009, 07:33:29 AM
Welcome from here as well, somewhat further away than Luc, David and Maggi.  ;D ;D  I hope you'll enjoy the forum.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on November 24, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
Very fine miniature Dom !!
do you grow it under glass ??
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on November 26, 2009, 03:30:01 PM
C. brachyphyllum is almost finishing its blooming season.
These photos where taken this morning in The Upper Galilee at 900m, this species is a very rare, growing in Israel only in 3 locations.

Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on November 26, 2009, 03:32:12 PM
While I was taking a photo of a good looking plant, a visitor has arrived, Cyntia cardui.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Armin on November 26, 2009, 09:07:41 PM
Lucky Oron,
marvelous shots with your camera.  8) ;D
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 27, 2009, 01:24:52 AM
You were in the right place at the right time. :)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 27, 2009, 08:28:14 AM
Great shots Oron !!!  8)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on November 27, 2009, 02:03:01 PM
Fantastic shots Oron !!!
I love them  :) you should go to the Lottery  ;D  but the photographer is very good too  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Janis Ruksans on November 27, 2009, 08:18:04 PM
While I was taking a photo of a good looking plant, a visitor has arrived, Cyntia cardui.
Especially great is just coming!
Janis
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on November 27, 2009, 08:24:04 PM
Not quite as big or beefy, but certainly surprisingly early-
Colchicum hungaricum- flowering now
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Janis Ruksans on November 28, 2009, 12:42:42 PM
With me at present blooms Colchicum cupanii and C. pusillum. From usually spring blooming species C. serpentinum is showing large well colored buds between cataphylls.
Janis
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 28, 2009, 10:07:30 PM
Something go wrong....... >:(

Janis, mine (cupanii and pusillum)already finishing flower in september and few in october.
Has something to do with the climate I suppose ?
Today is very wet and dark in Belgium but I try to take some pictures of Colchicum asterathum who come into flower.Due the bad weather the pictures are not very good and how can I send them?? 

Kris De Raeymaeker 
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 28, 2009, 10:20:57 PM
Give it a try with the asteranthum .........

Kris
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on November 28, 2009, 10:22:33 PM
Loading direct from your pc is always the best way to load the pix, Kris, thanks!
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on December 04, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
Not quite as big or beefy, but certainly surprisingly early-
Colchicum hungaricum- flowering now
My Colchicum hungaricum has resloved itself to be 'Velebit Star', which I though I had lost- a week later and after several frosts its flower is now pink.  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: LucS on December 06, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
My first pot of Colchicum hungaricum flowering in the bulb frame.
This selection "Velebit Star" has almost white flowers with black anthers.
Origin is the Velebit Mtns in Croatia.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 06, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
This is a very nice species Luc, and it flowers very early... do you grow it in greenhouse ?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: mark smyth on December 06, 2009, 04:53:00 PM
Mine are outside in a pot
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on December 06, 2009, 05:16:29 PM
Mine's out side in the garden. Not that it matters much, although exposing the flowers to frost makes the pink colour deepen.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on December 06, 2009, 05:32:13 PM
Do Luc IIs flowers look so pale because they have been under cover?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on December 06, 2009, 06:18:46 PM
Paul Christian's site says that C.hungaricum 'Velebit Star' has pale pink flowers with black anthers. If you look back in this thread when I first posted mine they were white (this was over a week ago when it was warmer here), so I assumed mine were C.hungaricum album. As they aged they turned pale pink, so I thought they must be 'Velebit Star', then after a hard frost they were deeper pink. They are still deep pink today  ;)
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: LucS on December 06, 2009, 09:04:21 PM
Do Luc IIs flowers look so pale because they have been under cover?

This pot is planted out in the sandbed of a coldframe with glass-top.
Sides are open for optimum ventilation.
The plants come from Leonid Bondarenko - in his online catalogue is a picture of the plant
that shows a very pale (nearly white!) flowercolour.
It's very possible that the flowers become pale pink with frost - we didn't get any frost so far.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Maggi Young on December 06, 2009, 09:29:43 PM
That's interesting, Luc.... it was my understanding that these plants were white or very nearly so, as yours are.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: dominique on December 07, 2009, 08:40:48 PM
Very nice Colchicum Luc. Tank you
Here, always Colchicum asteranthum and hirsutum. C. hirsutum is very minute plant and the base of the leaves begins to show hirsute hairs that I will show you next week
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Sinchets on December 09, 2009, 06:23:53 PM
This pic is to show a new flower coming form the C.hungaricum- it is pink already as conditions have been cold for the last few days. The earlier flower was white turning to pink.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: WimB on December 10, 2009, 10:41:34 AM
First time flowering here: Colchicum kesselringii
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: art600 on December 10, 2009, 10:44:56 AM
Wim

I have my fingers crossed that my kesselringii will flower again this year, but it looked a poor plant in comparison to your very healthy plant.  Where did you get the bulb?
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 10, 2009, 10:55:55 AM
Great stuff Wim !!!
Is that growing outside ??
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: WimB on December 10, 2009, 12:13:45 PM
Art,

I bought that bulb from Nijssen (http://www.pcnijssen.nl/shop/) this year.

Luc,

Thanks,
It's growing outside, against a south facing wall planted in pure sand which gets covered during summer, I'm not sure if it will survive but I'll see.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 10, 2009, 01:57:39 PM
very nice plant Wim, and very early again !
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: WimB on December 10, 2009, 04:22:39 PM
Thanks Fred,

early indeed, we have had temperatures of 10 to 15°C for the last couple of weeks with a lot of rain where normally it should be freezing now. Nature is a bit out of whack it would seem.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Paul Ravenhill on December 10, 2009, 06:20:11 PM
These were taken on the some trip as the Iris in the oncocyclus thread, in Turkey,late may to early June 06
If anyone can help with names
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Oron Peri on December 13, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
These were taken on the some trip as the Iris in the oncocyclus thread, in Turkey,late may to early June 06
If anyone can help with names

Paul
it might be Merendera trigyna, its new name would be Colchicum trigynum probably.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Kees Jan on December 17, 2009, 07:34:59 PM
If it isn't a Merendera (like M. trigyna or M. raddeana) it should be Colchicum szovitschii. Any clear pics of the flower tube?

Here is C. lusitanicum, photographed in Morocco.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Kees Jan on December 17, 2009, 07:42:41 PM
and this is M. filifolia in the Rif Mountains. This has quite a wide altitudinal range in Morocco.
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 17, 2009, 09:14:29 PM
Beautifull pictures Kees-Jan .You have been to Morocco recently? 
Title: Re: Colchicum autumn 2009
Post by: Kees Jan on December 18, 2009, 04:12:05 PM
Hello Kris,

Last autumn (late October - early November). There is quite a different set of autumn bulbs there than in Greece and Turkey.