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Title: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 08, 2009, 06:21:45 PM
Friends, Here are photos of a truly gigantic man-made crevice garden.... built at the Bangsbo Botanic Garden , in Denmark, under the direction of the famous Czech master, Zdeněk Zvolánek, affectionately known as "ZZ".
Many of you will be familiar with ZZ's workshops on the subject of creating crevice gardens and may even have helped in such a construction.... the very luckiest of you may even HAVE a ZZ crevice garden on your property!!
Certainly he is the most well-known exponent of this type of garden construction, which does, of course, have a terrific history in Czech gardens. Peter Korn in Sweden is another "exporter" of the technique and you will have seen in these pages, the crevice garden of Scotland's own Cyril Lafong, built for Cyril by Ian Christie. This type of project  is of considerable interest to many gardeners, especially those wishing to make an alpine garden.
I will post these photos as a beginning, then later we will be able to learn more about the planning and methods of construction from the man, himself!

 click on the photos to enlarge them...

 Bangsbo, hybridní skalka Denmark
 Bangsbo_BG_2
 Control_of_ridge
 Hanging_stone_0825
 Man_who_is_dancing_with_rocks
 Southern_part
 "Stone rider"
 The Constructors
 We are the champions
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: cohan on November 08, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
thanks for this thread, maggi! speaking of cyril's garden, i remember the photos posted of its construction; have there been updates since planting?
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 08, 2009, 06:34:37 PM
There were minor updates in that thread, Cohan, showing a little of the planting: here :http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2719.60
 but there will not be more until the plants have a chance to establish..... ::)



 I think it will be great to have ZZ join us  because he would like to show more pictures and give more information about this hybrid between sand bed and crevice bed technique. 8)   Thanks to Rudi Weiss for successfully  encouraging ZZ to join us  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: cohan on November 08, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
at my advanced age and even more advanced stage of distraction, i wasnt really sure if enough time had passed for plants to be established--especially in the garden of eden you call scotland ;)

i noticed the sand in this project and was wondering about that..will be interesting to hear more..
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 08, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
Cohan.... have you seen these topics?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1385.msg35142#msg35142      8)

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2607.0         8)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: cohan on November 08, 2009, 07:23:19 PM
Cohan.... have you seen these topics?
[url]http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1385.msg35142#msg35142 [/url]     8)

[url]http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2607.0 [/url]        8)


thanks, maggi--i had seen maybe part of the crevice thread--or maybe it was another of peter's postings..the wet sand i had not seen..
like paddy, my most available (free that is) stone is round field stone, so most of the area i am rebuilding will not be crevicey, but i need to look at a lot of different techniques and approaches over the winter to make the most of what i have, and to create some good mini habitats within... i will need to do more searching in the archives..
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Michael J Campbell on November 08, 2009, 08:03:24 PM
Question! I notice on the forum from time to time that people say that they missed a topic, how do they do that? I use firefox and just click on,"Show unread posts since last visit", or "Recent unread topics". If I want to find something a few posts back, I click " View the most recent posts to the forum." It also works on IE, so why do people miss posts. I never miss a post on any topic.
 I am not criticising anyone,just curious.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 08, 2009, 10:21:26 PM
Superman Zvolanek ... but I think for these crevices fit like a glove Levisias of Michael.

Beautiful collection, Michael.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 08, 2009, 11:17:52 PM
Thanks for this lovely series Maggi. After moving that lot, I'm surprised anyone has the energy for dancing ring-a-rosies though. ;D
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 08, 2009, 11:19:50 PM
Has ZZ joined us Maggi? Where?

edit by maggi: soon, Lesley, soon!
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: cohan on November 08, 2009, 11:32:15 PM
Question! I notice on the forum from time to time that people say that they missed a topic, how do they do that? I use firefox and just click on,"Show unread posts since last visit", or "Recent unread topics". If I want to find something a few posts back, I click " View the most recent posts to the forum." It also works on IE, so why do people miss posts. I never miss a post on any topic.
 I am not criticising anyone,just curious.

i have noticed similar comments from others that i think are different than my situation, but in my case, usually, i dont so much miss topics, as simply not have time to get to them! i have never used the 'show unread posts' option, since i assume it would show me hundreds of posts in threads i have never (yet!) read--eg--the numerous bulb threads and some of the other families/genera which are very active, and i have so far passed up in favour of a handful of threads/sections i regularly visit..
even in sections i do read, such as Travel, i may see some new threads/postings, but may not look at them until a day i have longer to sit..
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Paul T on November 09, 2009, 12:50:41 AM
Maggi,

Absolutely brilliant!!!!!  :o :o  Looking forward to seeing it progress.

Michael,

I often take a while to catch up on topics, or else if I am away for a while from the forums I may not view everything (some I just don't get around to opening, and leave them to drift off to a back page etc) and then discover it again later on for some reason (which is when I exclaim that I had missed it until now).  Some people I think also rely on the email notification of new postings to certain topics, and only view the topics they are notified of.  A good way to miss a lot of topics I think.  ::)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 09, 2009, 01:47:44 AM
The opening of my show was very tragicomical: I wrote long witty letter to the community of the kind readers and because it is my first touch with a Forum I lost all my writing. I promise to do my best but I must first learn how to operate with this modern machine for shaking ideas. I hope that I will enjoy my fresh membership hoping that you will give me a soft treatment in your comments. Stone Driver is honorable title which I obtained from Danes but now I feel as Blind Drivers.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Paul T on November 09, 2009, 02:21:04 AM
If you're not so used to computers, the forums (or the computer itself for that matter) can be a bit daunting!!  Welcome, and thanks for joining us.  8)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: cohan on November 09, 2009, 03:19:18 AM
The opening of my show was very tragicomical: I wrote long witty letter to the community of the kind readers and because it is my first touch with a Forum I lost all my writing. I promise to do my best but I must first learn how to operate with this modern machine for shaking ideas. I hope that I will enjoy my fresh membership hoping that you will give me a soft treatment in your comments. Stone Driver is honorable title which I obtained from Danes but now I feel as Blind Drivers.

even being on forums for years (not so long on this one), i still sometimes manage to lose the longest messages i write! technology may not be against us, but neither is it actively on our side ;)
that being said, this is a very good forum, both for its quite easy technical use (including easy addition of photos to messages) and its supportive and informative members
welcome, and i look forward to learning a lot from your postings :)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 09, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
Welcome Zdenek !
Thanks for taking the trouble to join us !
I'm sure you will enjoy it here though - we didn't have a "Stone rider" yet !   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Michael J Campbell on November 09, 2009, 10:35:27 AM
Try writing your message in word or wordpad and then copy and paste, then if you mess it up on the forum you still have a copy. Sometimes when I go to post I get a message that someone else has posted and I might like to review my post. The trick here is to highlight and copy your post before viewing the other one. then if it disappears you just have to paste it again.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 09, 2009, 11:26:21 AM
ZZ, it is grand to have you here.... even if you have spent time on your birthday losing your first message! The advice given by the Forumists is good.... type first in a word document which you can save, then copy and paste into forum.  
Losing text is something we have all experienced at one time or another....it's like having the carrier pigeon shot from the sky to make supper! :P

The system does "time out" after a while, so when making long posts it is best to use the copy and paste method. You will soon become accustomed to the ways of the system.... I well remember when we first came to this forum system... we were all confused! ;)

So, belated greetings  to "Stone Rider" ZZ  for your birthday yesterday!  :-*
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 09, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
Dear Maggie and your crowd of disciples. My first sentences appeared with a little bit of blooming luck at this holy land of opinionated rock gardeners, so I can make my first careful steps forward to my aim. This nice project of tiny unknown Bangsbo Botanical Garden was well documentated by project leading Viking, local teacher Herluf Johanson. Practically all the photos are his (I let my camera home because of the experiences that bad luck is surely coming if you wish to photograph your triuph or something similar. Limestone slabs were shining in lucky sunny weather and fooled camera. The result are very burned whites. Photographs taking in summer when I was in Bulgaria are more natural because of cloudy days. I took two exercises (like a true superman) six weeks before this action: I placed 20 tons of irregular rocks around huge new alpine house of Fritz Kummert without machinery at steep hill and one outcrops from perfect parallel porphyr rock (20 tons plus grit) for a horticultural university in Bernburg, Germany. From Bernburg I traveled with my perfect partner Joyce Carruthers to the most northern top of Jutland peninsula to Frederikshaven where is Bangsbo museum and botanic garden.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: mark smyth on November 09, 2009, 12:22:53 PM
hello ZZ, long time no email! Greeting from N. Ireland. When will you come and visit us again?

Mark
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 09, 2009, 01:33:52 PM
ZZ, an incredible feat moving all those stones and placing them in the giant crevice garden at just the right angle - really wonderful to watch as it develops.  Congratulations on your efforts.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: annew on November 09, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
Fantastic acheivement - the crevice garden AND the forum post!
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 09, 2009, 06:58:18 PM
Poor ZZ ... he is still having some problems posting... and has other work to be done at the moment, but I am confident that a man who can move and rebuild mountains will not be beaten by these setbacks! 8)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 09, 2009, 08:34:34 PM
hello ZZ, long time no email! Greeting from N. Ireland. When will you come and visit us again?

Mark, nice to see your happy face. I must do something more useful next year. Weeding my darling rock garden for example. Zesterday I got for birthay golden trombon and I must learn it next year. So Ireland later, please. ZZ
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: mark smyth on November 09, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
Anytime ZZ
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 09, 2009, 09:25:08 PM
  Danish Outcrop. Story of appearance of limestone rock in flatland of Jutland. The beginning of this story with happy end was after my talk for Danish Group of the AGS. Slim, permanently smiling Viking asked me if I can build for Bangsbo Botanical Garden a crevice garden with size about 250 m2. It was good chance to build something more visible so I promised to do it for 20 Euros per hour plus transport and accommodation. I am not professional and I have very low pension (300 Euro per month) so this is some kind of nice economical help for an old rascal. The Viking- Herluf Johanson sends me last year a plan of large area full of funny different flat beds in long stripes. The area for my outcrop was marked as 36 meters long and 6 metres broad, real fat noodle. So I drove in it diagonal lines representing the direction of stony layers and paths for visitors and maintenance. All layers were running in precise direction from west to east and it means possibility to have tall southern side-walls and nice steps leading to north. During realisation I pushed Herluf to give me another one meter more, so the outcrop is 7 meters broad. It gave me possibility to have the highest point 3 meters above the lower western side. Later all Vikings agreed that to make the area broader will be lovely so two third of the main outcrop have prolonged layers in pavement and behind it four Vikings constructed their own peak called New Zeeland (see the group of builders standing on it) and now waiting for 6 tons of tufa for constructing Tufaland at the place where they performed magical round dance (see the picture). All the parallels were kept with posts with red liner and Herluf was perfect with controlling the run of layers with compass. So in the end all crevice garden is in area of nearly 400 m2.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2009, 10:06:40 PM
A warm welcome ZZ, to the Forum, from New Zealand. You and I did meet once, in 1981, eating fish and chips in the garden of the great Roy Elliott but I think you were not very interested in New Zealand's plants.

So I am thrilled that the Vikings have a peak in their new crevice garden, called New Zeeland. I hope they will grow some of our plants there. I'll look forward to following the progress of this incredible garden. Some who have tiny gardens must be envious at so large an area. What fun to start the planting of it.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 09, 2009, 10:22:57 PM
 It is great feeling when a man is winning in the fight with clever half human digital creature called robot of the forum (the name robot is inventory of Czech writer and rock gardener Karel Čapek). The first cut of my story (Vikings can have different one) went smoothly into yours international playground so I am not so nervous now and we can continue little bit forward. Stones were problem in planning our action. I have sent them a picture of limestone crevice garden which intelligent German gardener Christopher Ruby recently built in Botanic Garden in Hof in Germany near Czech boundary. The quarry was about 1000 km from Bangsbo but they liked the rock and they ordered it (together 125 tons). This small Botanic garden has no white-collar parasites, only one professional gardener Ellen and fat and firm bunch of volunteers. Local rich people support their local garden and they do quite popular Festival there every June. So they charm out money for stones and Mr. Zvolánek. When I arrived the place had long ridge of sand (as I wished) and 25 tons of rocks were sitting as ducks around it waiting for me. They were stocked in piles at woody platoons and wrapped in foliage. Every pile had around 1200 kg. I asked the operator of the machine with the help of Herluf (this nice boy spoke only Danish) for modelling the ridge after bringing a heap of clay in the place of highest peak and covering it with 50 cm of sharp. I was stupid and did not look at their tools. I ordered to place piles of rocks with machine at the highest places and from there we start to put them into layers with our hands (me, Herluf and one strong Dane Johannes). Rolling slabs on their edges like a wheel is fine in firm surface but in soft sand it was heavier task. We were tired but the rockwork had relatively good progress and I was sure that I would have soon no stones to continue. It was reason that I designed the third growing technique there (together with the techniques of Sand bed and Crevice bed) the peat bed. I ordered to cut big peat blocks long ways (dry ones are quickly cat with a chain saw) and to place them instead of layers of stones at the northern slope. The crevices between peat blocks were firmly filled with mixture of loam-sand-peat and clay pellets which is promising medium able to keep moisture and feed plants.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 09, 2009, 10:36:26 PM
A warm welcome ZZ, to the Forum, from New Zealand. You and I did meet once, in 1981, eating fish and chips in the garden of the great Roy Elliott but I think you were not very interested in New Zealand's plants.

So I am thrilled that the Vikings have a peak in their new crevice garden, called New Zeeland. I hope they will grow some of our plants there. I'll look forward to following the progress of this incredible garden. Some who have tiny gardens must be envious at so large an area. What fun to start the planting of it.
What a sin, I still have no plant from New Zeeland in my garden because of our continental frost, but Danes have mild weather and they can have better results with the whites and yelows than English thin crowd. I hope that kind experienced friends like you will help them to fulfil their dreams. I had perfect results in crevice bed full of sand in Northern Ireland, Gentiana saxosa is self sowing there in a large area.  Ohoy ZZ
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 10, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
A great achievement and a great story full of very interesting information ZZ !  :D
Again, thanks for telling us all the little secrets !!  ;)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 10, 2009, 02:47:34 PM
With really interest I read you thread and nicely remember visit in your garden some years ago.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 10, 2009, 08:16:04 PM
I remember well a girl from Krakow bringing my some nice plants in big rucksac. All plants are lost (too hot and dry place for them) but you are in my memory foever. ZZ
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 10, 2009, 08:37:23 PM
All plants are lost (too hot and dry place for them) but you are in my memory foever. ZZ

The God didn't take care of them?

I remember that I have asked you, who look after the plants if you travel.

ZZ said one word: the God  :)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 10, 2009, 09:24:10 PM
 All  long ridge of this Danish outcrop was divided with two parallel “ shallow canyons” into three main sections: Asia with Caucasus and Turkey (southern slope) + Europe + America. Every continent has at the northern slope this already described peat beds for difficult plants. Joyce Carruthers concentrated on planting shrubbery plants, which were at our disposal (unfortunately not many) like dwarf Acers, dwarf Pinus parviflora, Daphne retusa and two dozens of dwarf rhododendrons. There is in Denmark some excellent nursery for lovely dwarf rhododendrons. I enjoyed planting three flowering Rh. camtsatchense. We dag out in garden big group of small Rh. impeditum wild form from China and Joyce planted it in a mass under highest peak which is now called Mt. Herluf. When another 25 tons of stones came two Danes used classic tool from my youth metal pinches for moving road curbs or rails. They worked superbly, but still it was heavy task to work with them on sharp slope of sand. The operator of big machine after our clumsy action to catch large slabs with stripes and lift them to the final position, got brain wave and hang one iron pinches under his crane with special textile stripes and it was a miracle. One man could stand a slab on its edge in vertical position and put the pinches on it for quick and save transport with the machine. See the picture of the crane hanging stone and happy old man riding stone with pinches on. The operator was quickly in perfect rapport with the stones and me speaking with hands language only disappeared like summer snow because I was very quick in decision where every stone belongs. We were waiting for stones because the German company with foreign workers was able to send only one truck with 25 tons per week. So waiting for stones there was important job to firm sand with bamboo sticks properly into thin crevices. Another big job was to close vertical crevices with something available. Normally it is job with a hammer and stony slivers but we had no rock slivers or flakes in disposal. It is hard limestone with good content of iron because when I put compass on it to control our east west run of layers the hand of compass was directed aside to wrong direction. My solution of easy closing vertical crevices was secret mortar mixed with wet fibres from broken peat blocks and clay pellets.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 10, 2009, 09:30:56 PM
Quote
My solution of easy closing vertical crevices was secret mortar mixed with wet fibres from broken peat blocks and clay pellets.

Excellent solution to the problem!
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 11, 2009, 01:05:28 AM
Later, when these crevices will be planted, a hole can be easily done throughout this mortar closing, but I recommend to protect the collar of the plant with small pieces of rock and not to let them in direct contact with wet clay. All the rockwork will look much better after proper washing sand and mud from quarry out of surfaces of stones. The pavement is not only safe surface for walking and aesthetic trick to connect outcrops into impressive wholeness. One bulb specialist in Birmingham in 1960´th made construction of vertical stone layers (sunk into his bed) similar to construction of Antic Roman roads. He had very good results with bulbs in those crevices. So I hope in good displays of different small bulbs in the crevices of pavement in Bansgbo in near future. I let unpaved paths in the Main outcrop and Danes (teacher Henrik alias Hid Highness) paved them, of course, with parallel layers of limestone. I asked them to use only limestone grit for top dressing of crevices. I think that grit originated in Slovakia is now ordered. Danes followed my suggestion to place tufa (travertin) boulders into shallow basins filled with sand and clay, so the rock can soak water from bottom. They do it, you can see one picture- and also framing the Tufaland is pretty and closing relatively high bed under tufa. Thick sand beds and sloping crevices will do both the classic vertical drainage and modern surface drainage  in winter time, when  Danmark is under solid rain. What is working well in Ireland must be good for Danmark too. Sand is cheap and cheerful and good for saxatile plants. My story is in the end. We will go with Joyce back there in May 2010 to help with planting and top dressing as volunteers. We like open and happy Vikings and the weather of the latitude higher than Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2009, 12:40:40 PM
ZZ has provided me with more super photos to illustrate this tale of landscape creation ..... this triumph of Danish and Czech co-operation !
Click on the photos to enlarge them.... they tell the story very well.........

 Bangsbo Museum, Herluf and transport
 Herluf phones from Mt. Herluf
 Herluf uses compass in European section
 Johannes and Zdenek dances with pinches
 Joyce plants Daphnes
 Nice large overlapping slab in side-wall
 Steep part of American section
 unfinished end of America
 Washing stone
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2009, 12:47:58 PM
more photos .......

 Danes make New Zeeland
 Danes framed Tufaland
 Faces of layers and path in New Zeeland
 First tufa for the Tufaland
 First tufa in Tufaland
 The same limestone in Hof crevice garden
 Topdressing above sand
 Tufa in limestone frame
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2009, 12:50:12 PM
some more from the "pavement".....
 
 Ellen does heavy Pavement aroud America : Ellen is the Head Gardener of the Botanical Garden.
 His Highness Henrik on the pavement
 Last pavement
 Pavement between The big one and New Zealand
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 11, 2009, 02:24:13 PM
Anytime ZZ
Mark, Prague Spring Show is from March 28th to April 3rd 2010. If you will come you can stay with us in Karlik. Be nice! zz
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 11, 2009, 07:09:17 PM
I am very obliged to Magic Mum of the Forum that she hang gallery of Danish pictures at the digital wall of your hall (I am not brave enough to try it myself and she is woman with deep experience). I remember telling Danes that this construction is unique (modern design for a future) because there will be no need to water plants in crevices. It is sawing sources of water, time and Danish crowns. I also do not water my large rock garden with warm loving plants and warm tolerating plants (like kabschia Saxifragas). To see tons of stones is nice but there is strong need to decorate this white wall with some pictures of attractive saxatile plants which are trembling somewhere with excitement and Thrill to be planted into stony home at sandy hill. All my select are plants with natural slow and low growth in crevices. I will send my pictures of my happy plants to Maggie hoping that they will provide a suitable decoration of my short story.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
ZZ is sending photos to me of the types of plants which will be planted in the giant crevice garden and turn it from a stone mountain into a fabulous garden......
 Let us begin with a photo of Joyce Carruthers busy planting .......
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2009, 08:47:29 PM
and now to begin the crevice loving plants......

 Aethionema capitatum
 Campanula formanekiana ex Vermion
 Cyclamen europaeum  5476
 Cyclamen mirabile_ 5645
 Cyclamen pseudibericum
 Daphne arbuscula Albiflora_4629.
 Genista lydia var. lydia Z.Zvolánek
 Iris nicolai
 Moltkia petraea ,Karlík
 Tulipa armena var.armena
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 11, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
The Czechs have flair for growing the rock garden plants. They are ship-shape.
In Czech Republic there are a lot of beautiful and exceptional gardens.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2009, 10:11:02 PM
.....the last photos from  ZZ of the plants....

 click the photos to enlarge them, as before.......

 Adonis vernalis_4471
 Aubrieta glabrescens ex Smolikas
Campanula choruhensis
 Chamaecytisus pygmaeus
 Daphne x Tichbourne
 Degenia velebitica
 Pulsatilla grandis
 Silene argaea
 X Jancaemonda´Rudi´
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 11, 2009, 10:19:25 PM
Maggi, let me go to bed!!!

Beacuse of you I ovesleep tomorrow for work  >:(
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 12, 2009, 08:52:57 AM
I am sure you slept very well after looking at all these beauties Ewelina !  ;D

What a tremendous thread, full of first hand top information about building this project !!  It certainly deserves a 5 stars mention !! The selection of plants is just as stunning ! As expressed before, I hope we will have the opportunity to see how everything develops !
Thanks to ZZ and MM (Magic Mum  ;D) for showing us !

This will definitely go on my "places to visit" list !

Title: sad news of death of Jaromir Grulich
Post by: Stone Rider on November 12, 2009, 09:19:58 AM
The Czechs have flair for growing the rock garden plants. They are ship-shape.
In Czech Republic there are a lot of beautiful and exceptional gardens.
We are losing some of them. Two days ago died (at his 77) hero Jaromir Grulich, who constructed with help of kind Nature the biggest private rock garden (of the world?) near your Polish boundary.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on November 12, 2009, 10:30:09 AM
Dear Maggie and your crowd of disciples. My first sentences appeared with a little bit of blooming luck at this holy land of opinionated rock gardeners, so I can make my first careful steps forward to my aim. This nice project of tiny unknown Bangsbo Botanical Garden was well documentated by project leading Viking, local teacher Herluf Johanson. Practically all the photos are his (I let my camera home because of the experiences that bad luck is surely coming if you wish to photograph your triuph or something similar. Limestone slabs were shining in lucky sunny weather and fooled camera. The result are very burned whites. Photographs taking in summer when I was in Bulgaria are more natural because of cloudy days. I took two exercises (like a true superman) six weeks before this action: I placed 20 tons of irregular rocks around huge new alpine house of Fritz Kummert without machinery at steep hill and one outcrops from perfect parallel porphyr rock (20 tons plus grit) for a horticultural university in Benburg, Germany. From Benburg I traveled with my perfect partner Joyce Carruthers to the most northern top of Jutland peninsula to Frederikshaven where is Bangsbo museum and botanic garden.
Some mistakes are here in names. Herluf Johansen from Frederikshavn has e-mail bbhf@bbnpost.dk and German town is Bernburg.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 12, 2009, 10:32:59 AM
Wow, wow,wow....this project is so exciting and you can palpably feel the spirit that permeates through such a wonderful team so full of enthusiasm for their creation and the icing on the rock garden cake - the plants!  thanks so much for bringing the progress through your exceptional journal ZZ and to Maggi who certainly does have the magic touch in everything she does; including her rock garden (seen in the publicity about SRGC) can we see more Maggi?

Will have to make another posting about the special plants in the photos as there are some wonderful ones I have never heard of before and the waterfall effect of is magnificent  :D
Title: sad news of death of Jaromir Grulich
Post by: Maggi Young on November 12, 2009, 11:19:43 AM
The Czechs have flair for growing the rock garden plants. They are ship-shape.
In Czech Republic there are a lot of beautiful and exceptional gardens.
We are losing some of them. Two days ago died (at his 77) hero Jaromir Grulich, who constructed with help of kind Nature the biggest private rock garden (of the world?) near your Polish boundary.

We are very sad to hear of the death of Jaromir Grulich.... we have had the pleasure to be shown photos of his garden in the Forum, and know of his great skills as a gardener.
ZZ, will you please pass the condolences of the SRGC gardeners and the Forumists to the Family of Jaromir Grulich?
Title: sad news of death of Jaromir Grulich
Post by: mark smyth on November 12, 2009, 11:58:34 AM
Oh no! He was such a lovely man. He tended his rock face every day including carrying watering can of water up to water his plants.

He used to garden in the area in front of the house. He changed the course of a stream so it flowed around the garden. To the right of his house was a forest on the side of a hill. One year a huge wind blew down the forest revealing the stone. He asked forest men if he can hav some for a rockery and they said you can have all or nothing. I have been to his garden three times and have always been blown away by it. His plant collection is unbelievable. Over winter he carved flowers in to wood and sold these to visitors in the spring.
Title: sad news of death of Jaromir Grulich
Post by: Ewelina Wajgert on November 12, 2009, 03:22:47 PM
We are losing some of them. Two days ago died (at his 77) hero Jaromir Grulich, who constructed with help of kind Nature the biggest private rock garden (of the world?) near your Polish boundary.

I'm very sad of this news. I knew Jaromir and was in his garden some years ago.

You are wrotten "We are losing some of them". Who is yet missing?
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2009, 08:04:33 PM
It seems this Danish crevice garden takes rock gardeneing to a whole new level. Some of the pictures show what appears to be a major archeological dig and I wouldn't be surprised in centuries to come if this whole garden is considered to be a national treasure showing how 21st century gardeners plied their craft. It is all so severe and strong that somehow the plants almost look redundant but will certainly soften things up very soon, as they grow.
Title: Loss of Czech Crevice and Rock Expert
Post by: Maggi Young on November 12, 2009, 09:43:03 PM
I am grateful to ZZ for this photo of the late Jaromir Grulich in his  garden.

Zdeněk recalls how "Grulich planted successfuly the fissures in the natural rock
with Lewisia cotylenon and Gentiana sino-ornata and so on."

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Title: Loss of Czech Crevice and Rock Expert
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
What a super photograph that is, of a dedicated gardener in his element. While man-made gardens can be superb - aren't always - the natural rock of the landscape beats everything else as a place for alpine plants. I've frequently wished for a quarter acre of natural rock when I've travelled in our own high country areas and have thought they would make a perfect rock garden for flowering plants instead of the grasses and weedy things that are usually there.
Title: Loss of Czech Crevice and Rock Expert
Post by: Diane Clement on November 12, 2009, 10:30:27 PM
A memory of that incredible garden, from the Czech 2007 conference
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 13, 2009, 08:19:04 AM
I never had the chance to meet the man and visit his garden, but judging from the pix I can only say.
What a loss !  :'(
But at the same time, what a happy and full gardener's life the good man must have had !  Taking advantage of the excellent conditions (for growing Alpines !) that nature offered him, must have been very rewarding.
He surely made the best of it.
Would there be any chance that his work is preserved somehow ?
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 13, 2009, 09:44:44 AM
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What a super photograph that is, of a dedicated gardener in his element

Lesley has put it so well and it is Jaromir Grulich's expression that makes one feel he was so at home in his natural rock garden.  A wonderful photographic moment in time.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on December 08, 2009, 11:20:51 PM
A reminder that in 2003, in the Rock Garden, Number 110, (pages 70 to 84)  there is an article from ZZ, entitled "In defense of rock" where Zdenek writes about crevice gardens.
 This is an article drawn from his very successful presentation to the Alpines 2001 Conference in Edinburgh.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: art600 on December 09, 2009, 04:18:25 PM
Just the thread for a grey winter afternoon.

I too wait to see the plants thriving in this magical landscape,

Many thanks ZZ and Maggi
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Katherine J on December 10, 2009, 08:34:51 AM
A reminder that in 2003, in the Rock Garden, Number 110, (pages 70 to 84)  there is an article from ZZ, entitled "In defense of rock" where Zdenek writes about crevice gardens.
 This is an article drawn from his very successful presentation to the Alpines 2001 Conference in Edinburgh.

It is an excellent article, I've read it a few times already (thanking to the SRGC for sending me the CD with the older issues of The Rock Garden  :))!

I'm so sad that albeit so close to Czechia, I've never met these great rockers and seen their wonderful gardens. I have a lot to make up for... ( ::) is this the right expression for to recover a missed thing??)
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on December 10, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
With ZZ's permission, I will make a new thread about Crevice Gardening, showing in several pdf files, the article which I mantioned three posts back, with some new photos and comments from ZZ......  8)

see here:

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4656.0
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on December 11, 2009, 05:44:42 PM
I have news from Denmark today
Brave Vikings open the fight with tufa today to finish the TUFALAND
before x mass. Under rocks are sheets filled with water retentive
material for soaking the stone during summer time.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on December 14, 2009, 08:25:14 PM
This Danish thread  continues towards end of
the year.


Here are fresh two pictures from the theatre of the Tufaland.
Here is seen the calming pleasant effect of general parallel pattern with
relatively different stones. I think that this small team of Danes
deserves degree of masters.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on December 15, 2009, 05:58:03 PM
Still the Danes are working:
after another hard day, three Vikings Johannes, Maria and Herluf
placed good amount of tufa and grit. Only 8 tufa blocks are waiting to
be arranged together with mixtures of sand, limestone grit and tufa
grit. Excellent executing I must say to myself.
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Katherine J on December 16, 2009, 07:55:12 AM
Will it be planted in spring?
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on December 16, 2009, 10:38:22 PM
Will it be planted in spring?
The planting will take a few years I pressume. I go there with Joyce to help them for half of May. Send them some Colchicum hungaricum as a gift...   ZZ
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on December 16, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
Here are three perfect photos showing slow finishing of one bold tufa ridge.
Denmark is under snow, but Northern Jutland is still saved.

 Good night
 ZZ
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Stone Rider on January 02, 2010, 12:47:36 PM
I can publish some nice New Year photos from Denmark, showing that a rock garden look under cover (showing only round shapes and part of naked flesh of its body) is romantic like a beautiful woman. Happy New year 2010 to you
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on September 04, 2016, 02:39:01 PM
After  Kai Andersen's presentation to the Epping Forest AGS group's "Kath Dryden Day"  yesterday,  I thought it would be nice to copy the words here from Tim Ingram  on Facebook about the event - with this link to a video from Bangsbo

https://vimeo.com/98863924 (https://vimeo.com/98863924)
Tim wrote :
Kaj Andersen showed this video at the end of his talk to the Epping Forest Alpine Garden Society special meeting, in honour of Kath Dryden VMH, today. You must be very proud of this Crevice Garden - it really is beautifully made! Wonderful and friendly meeting with grateful thanks to the Epping Forest Group and especially Kit Strange. A few more pictures and description to come but a plante fest from four of the very finest plantsmen... and a memory of a very great lady in the world of alpines.

Panayoti Kelaidis  commented of the video : Photography is worthy of the garden! Wow!


Tim Ingram:
 What is especially remarkable, Panayoti, is that the garden is virtually totally the result of voluntary input and Kaj Andersen said it was open to all 24hrs a day - there was no vandalism or removal of plants (which seems to be a sad feature at times of public gardens here from Wisley to Kew to Edinburgh). 'When something is beautiful no-one wants to destroy it' - a simple but rather profound definition of much that lies behind a garden like this. Every year in June there is the Bangsbo Flower Festival which attracts 15-20000 people, and Kaj's talk has certainly made us want to visit the garden (and it lies just across the water from Göteborg, and not so far away, Peter Korn's Trädgĺrd. There is that close link to the culture of rock gardening especially in Czechia of course, but also that strong scientific tradition of botanical discovery in Scandinavia that dates back to Linnaeus and before. All of these things are in strange contrast to our present political situation here in the UK, which we feel particularly after a debate our local MP organised nearby on that foolish word 'Brexit' that seems to ignore our common environment and understanding of the wider world. I am naive of course (not scientifically) but this meeting that Kit organised is how I see the world - a place that we explore and discover and share our knowledge of. Certainly the legacy of Kath Dryden and something the Alpine Garden Society could express (with the help of the Royal Horticultural Society) rather better to a new generation of gardeners than it does at the moment. There was no mention of the Epping Forest Group meeting that I could see clearly on opening the AGS web-page, and though it is clearly a very specialised way of gardening it is the Local Groups that drive this as much as the 'higher' horticultural establishment.

-From one of your 'blogs' at Denver: http://www.botanicgardens.org/blog/hortus-paradisi (http://www.botanicgardens.org/blog/hortus-paradisi) .....
"......And haply then
That future country lost its gloom;
More lovely in that world than this,
Immaculate the white lily grows,
And perfected we walk in bliss."

Hortus Paradisi, William Bell Scott
Title: Re: Denmark's giant crevice garden... how it was made....
Post by: Maggi Young on June 03, 2018, 01:34:36 PM
Wonderful to see one of SRGC's favourite Vikings being honoured  for his support of the  Bangsbo Botanic Garden in Frederikshaven in Denmark.  - congratulations, Kaj Andersen​!  Photo by   Jiří Papoušek​

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