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Don Peace

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Re: Pleione 2019
« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2019, 04:58:16 AM »

Help needed!

I’m trying to identify a clone of Pleione Ueli Wackernagel that was given an Award of Merit (AM) by the ‘RHS Joint Rock Plant Committee’ at Hexham AGS/SRGC show a few weeks ago. It was given an AM “Subject to a cultivar name”.

See https://twitter.com/RHSJointRock/status/1112679887947616259

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I bought the initial bulb in 2012 but unfortunately my attempts to trace the origin of this stock have drawn a blank.

Before I try to dream up an appropriate name, I need to ensure that my plant does not conform to any of the known named cultivars.
I’m aware of a number of clones (some with names and some with just numbers) but have ruled out all but one.
•   ‘Calcite’ - a near white clone
•   ‘Quartz’ - a near white clone
•   ‘Regal’ – Bred by David Harberd under the initial number 'H169.7'. The photo of 'Regal' from Tim Harberd on the SRGC forum (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15025.45) and another photo emailed to me by Tim show that 'Regal' differs from my own plant in both flower shape and the amount of yellow in the lip marking
•   H169.1 – Another of David Harberd’s clones and a sister seedling of ‘Regal’. Again I’m ruling this one out on the basis of flower shape
•   H169.2 to H169.6 may no longer be in cultivation. Correct me if I’m wrong
•   ‘Pearl’ – a pale clone originating from a cross made by Jan Berg and named by Paul Cumbleton.
•   ‘Pink Pearl’ – another clone originating from a cross made by Jan Berg and named by Paul Cumbleton. This is from the same seed pod as ‘Pearl’ and judging from photos I’ve found and in Paul’s opinion may be the identity of my plant

So:
Is my plant ‘Pink Pearl’?
Are there other clones of P. Ueli Wackernagel in existence?
The grex was registered by Pinkepank. Are there Pinkepank clones in existence? Where did 'Calcite' and 'Quartz' come from?

I appreciate that colour is difficult (depends on the lighting, the camera, the computer screen etc.)

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Re: Pleione 2019
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2019, 06:32:43 PM »
Hi Don,
I can't say any more than already on your pink clone, but I can confirm that both 'Quartz' and 'Calcite' were also named by me. They came from a re-make I did of Ueli wackernagel using 'Pearl' as one parent and another different, un-named pale clone as the other. In the end neither proved good growers and ultimately both declined and died, so neither of these clones exists now.

Paul
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see http://ebay.eu/1n3uCgm

http://www.pleione.info/

Don Peace

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Re: Pleione 2019
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2019, 08:27:19 PM »
Thanks Paul,

I very much appreciate your additional info on 'Quartz' and 'Calcite' - useful in terms of building up the wider picture regarding Ueli Wackernagel.

There must surely be a very limited number of clones in existence and the AM clone is such a good clone it would surely have been named already. This all leads me to think that it is in all likelihood 'Pink Pearl'.

Hopefully someone else out there may have information or views on whether my plant is indeed 'Pink Pearl'.

It would be useful to know if anyone is currently growing 'Pink Pearl'.

Regards
Don

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Re: Pleione 2019
« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2019, 11:06:10 AM »
Hi Don,
    On April 11th 2009 Eric Locke apparently posted photos of four different UW clones..

    Pearl, 3 & 4 from Jan Berg and, presumably one other, but the photos are no longer there.

    May be some other forumist can advise on missing pictures?

Tim DH


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Re: Pleione 2019
« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2019, 11:15:40 AM »
Some  photos  are  missing  because  of the  method used to  load them to the  forum - others  have  been removed - but I saw  Eric' photos  of  Pleione Ueli Wackernagel  forms the  other  day - I'll try to  find the  site  again!

Assorted  photos here, of  course  : http://www.pleione.info/pleione-hybrids-gallery-t---z.html   but I'm on the  hunt  for  Eric's  pix....

 quite a few  here - https://www.orkidehagen.no/pleione/     but  not  of the right  ones!  or  here  http://www.pleioneworld.dk/pleione-hybrids-1-2/nggallery/page/4  right  orchids, different  photographer!
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 11:22:57 AM by Maggi Young »
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Re: Pleione 2019
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2019, 08:07:25 AM »
Hi There,
   End of season shots from me:

H139.1 P. Stromboli ‘Senorita’… This one has gone up my ‘Favourites’ ranking in recent years, because of its habit of looking up.

M205.2 P. bulbocodioides 6X  RGB Edinburgh ACC.NO: 812467… I appreciate the long stem on this cultivar.

L2 P. x taliensis ‘Lushan Mist’… A particularly gladdening sight since I thought I might have lost this. Hopefully the start of a comeback.

Tim DH

 

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