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wmel

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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #285 on: October 30, 2013, 12:37:55 PM »
I posted the following question about a plant I got as Allium hirtifolium about 4 years ago but, in those days there was no Wietse and Onionman at hand, so I ask again now. Is this hirtifolium?
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3028.msg95152#msg95152


It looks like allium altissimum to me, Do you have a photo from the bulbs?
What colour are the bulbs?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2013, 12:45:52 PM by wmel »
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #286 on: October 30, 2013, 12:45:25 PM »
allium altissimum
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #287 on: October 30, 2013, 01:05:58 PM »
allium altissimum bulbs

allium hookerii flowering now! , is that normal this late in a year??
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #288 on: October 30, 2013, 08:05:29 PM »
That reminded me that I had accidentally dug up a bulb this autumn and took a picture  :)

I've never planted altissimum and these bulbs were purchased as hirtifolium album...a mix-up somewhere...
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #289 on: October 30, 2013, 08:12:04 PM »
Yes, hookeri flowering now seems very late. This picture of var muliense was taken on 29th July in the Gothenburg Botanics...
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #290 on: October 30, 2013, 08:23:35 PM »
I just looked up Allium altissimum and discovered this paper http://ecisi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/516-522.doc.pdf where it's called the Persian Shallot.... I was actually researching Persian Shallot (often imported in dried form and sold in Iranian stores). Allium hirtifolium or stipitatum is normally called Persian shallot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allium_stipitatum
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #291 on: November 05, 2013, 03:39:12 PM »
Hello,

Nice to hear from you!
How are things in Moscow?
I'm very curious how the Alliums will survive the winter in Moscow, and hope to see some beautiful photos in spring next year!
Wietse, you can expect a detailed report in spring about overwintering. Much depends on the weather. Winters are different here. But the main threat is severe frost without the snow blanket. So far we have been enjoying very warm October and November. + 15 C is expected tomorrow which is more than 10 above the norm for this time of the year. So there is a lot of anxiety about sudden severe frost. My special worry are American Alliums. I will see in spring.
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #292 on: December 09, 2013, 08:42:24 AM »
The possible cernuum x stellatum hybrid came as seed from a guy in Oregon described as follows: "Wild Nodding Onion from coastal PNW. From slopes of Mt. Heahkahnie."
I don't know if he first grew it in a garden, but I think it unlikely to have crossed with stellatum.....I will try to ask....

Wallichii: they certainly thrive on wet...well adapted here and in the monsoon climate at home...and, to Maggi, I had a chuckle at your comment...

Mark:  I checked with my source and this Allium cernuum was wild collected near Neakahnie Mountain, Manzanita OR on a bluff overlooking the ocean and wasn't near any mountains, so it must be a form of Allium cernuum  :)
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #293 on: December 09, 2013, 07:45:06 PM »
Thanks for checking back in Stephen; it was worth the wait :)

I just went back and reread the thread, and most of the posts between.
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #294 on: December 10, 2013, 06:00:13 AM »
I'd posted these allium pics elsewhere in November and forgotten to add them here!

Allium dichlamydeum
Allium ? bolanderi?
Allium peninsulare
Allium abramsii

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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #295 on: December 11, 2013, 11:00:30 PM »
Fermi, I have some thoughts on these (of the identification kind), and actually took some notes, I'll see if I can rustle up the little piece of note paper from my desktop "debris" and clutter, then will answer on one side of the pond or the other, sorry about the delay on answering on NARGS.
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #296 on: December 13, 2013, 08:45:18 AM »
Just got fantastic Christmas present from my great German friend - Reinhardt Fritsch. It is his book wrote with assistance of M. Abbasi from Iran. It is latest update of Melanocrommyum Alliums from Iran - most ornamental Alliums. There are fantastic bilingual (English and Persian) illustrated key of species included and excellent descriptions in English allowing identification + excellent picture including seeds, flower details, plants, inflorescences. Although I more prefer different composition of keys, included is easy usable, too, especially taking in account space needed for illustrations. There are notes about seed germination conditions, explaining why sometimes seeds didn't germinate. Book is result of many years of field work and laboratory researches made by Reinhardt Fritsch with his Iranian assistants in Iran and in Gatersleben institute of plant genetics.
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #297 on: December 13, 2013, 05:53:34 PM »
Just got fantastic Christmas present from my great German friend - Reinhardt Fritsch. It is his book wrote with assistance of M. Abbasi from Iran. It is latest update of Melanocrommyum Alliums from Iran - most ornamental Alliums.

it is possible to buy this book?
and where is it for sale?
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #298 on: December 14, 2013, 07:45:15 AM »
it is possible to buy this book?
and where is it for sale?
I don't know. Got it as present. Will try to find. You in any case can ask in Gatersleben, Germany. Leibniz Institute of Plant Genetics and Crop Research (IPK), D-06466 Gatersleben, Germany
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Re: Allium 2013
« Reply #299 on: December 18, 2013, 05:50:10 PM »
You can buy it or download it free on this address:

http://www.ipk-gatersleben.de
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