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Rafa

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Dear All,

May I make the following corrections about some names appearen on the seed list? Some of the are open to debate, while the ones in red are in my oppinion not valid.

NARCISSUS (ama)
2521  ‘Camoro'
2522  ‘Cedric Morris'
2523  ‘Kalyke' ( from cantab. petun. . romieuxii albidus SF110)
2524  ‘Limey Lass'
2525  ‘Mary Poppins'
2526  ‘Nylon Group'
2527  assoanus subsp. assoanus
2528  asturiensis Narcissus minor subsp. minor
2529  bulbocodium
2530  bulbocodium JJA805 .
2531  bulbocodium citrinus
2532  bulbocodium graellsii
2533  bulbocodium nivalis
2534  bulbocodium saltuum
2535  bulbocodium validus
2536  cantabricus
2537  cantabricus monophyllus
2538  cantabricus var. petunioides
2539  cantabricus . romieuxii F2
2540  confusus
2541  cordubensis Narcissus fernandesii
2542  cyclamineus
2543  deficiens
2544  dubius
2545  eugeniae Narcissus confusus
2546  fernandesii
2547  hedraeanthus ex S. de Cazorla
2548  jonquilla henriquesii
2549  lobularis Narcissus pseudonarcissus
2550  longispathus
2551  nivalis (bulbocodium subsp. nivalis)
2552  obesus
2553  obesus 'Lee Martin'
2554  obsoletus
2555  obvallaris Narcissus confusus
2556  panizzianus Narcissus papyraceus
2557  perez-chiscanoi F&JK0611 Narcissus confusus
2558  primigenius
2559  pseudonarcissus
2560  pseud. bicolor ex Pyrenees (Narcissus bicolor?)
2561 x romanensis Narcissus grandae, a new species developped from fertile N. x barrae
2562  romieuxii
2563  romieuxii hybrids
2564  romieuxii 'Atlas Gold' JCA805
2565  romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
2566  romieuxii 'Treble Chance'
2567  rupicola
2568  rupicola ex S. de Guadarrama
2569  rupicola watieri
2570  rupicola watieri 'Abaleish'
2571  tazetta
2572  triandrus
2573  triandrus pallidulus Naricissus pulchellus (or N. pallidulus, not clear)
2574  triandrus triandrus
2575  triandrus triandrus alejandrei Narcissus iohannis
2576  yepesii Narcissus longispathus subsp. longispathus

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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2019, 09:57:00 PM »
Dear All,

May I make the following corrections about some names appearen on the seed list? Some of the are open to debate, while the ones in red are in my oppinion not valid.

all the best

I think these  numbers  refer to last  year's list, Rafa, is that  correct? That is the  list  of #72 2018-2019
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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2019, 10:10:51 PM »
oh! sorry Maggi, please delete my post :-[

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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2019, 10:41:02 PM »
oh! sorry Maggi, please delete my post :-[
No, don't! It's helpful to know your thoughts on the correct names.
One of the problems we have in Australia is that the BICON list of allowed seeds does not keep up with changes in nomenclature so when a plant name is updated it is no longer "Allowed"!!!!  ::)
cheers
fermi
Mr Fermi de Sousa, Redesdale,
Victoria, Australia

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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2019, 10:49:29 PM »
thank you Fermi

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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2019, 01:42:53 PM »
I agree this is  useful information - so I  have  made  it  a  topic.
It was  simply  confusing to  have  it  in the  Seed Ex. 73 thread where the  numbers are  not  applicable.  :)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2019, 07:40:35 PM by Maggi Young »
Margaret Young in Aberdeen, North East Scotland Zone 7 -ish!


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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2019, 02:17:44 PM »
thank you Maggi!! :-* :-* :-*

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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 11:12:33 AM »
Hi Rafa et al

I'm not sure where to start on this subject;  so here goes.  We get over 7000 packets of seed donated to the exchange, and we cannot check every name every year, of course.  We keep a spreadsheet of over 24000 names for the exchange and note when we have checked a name on it.  Until this year we used 'The Plant List' but that is no longer being maintained so we are in the process of changing to 'Plants of the World Online', which means more changes.  Until there is a really up-to-date book of narcissus names we'll stick to POWO nomenclature in future, but that will inevitably mean we change some names from those on the donated packet.....  there's no complete or simple answer is there?
It's also true that we won't always stick to POWO names:  POWO sinks Meconopsis into Papaver, and just think what an outcry we'd have from the Meconopsis Group if we did that!!  They also sink most Hebes, Parahebes, and anything else with Hebe in the name into Veronica....help!!
Any advice on best sources of up-to-date and authoritative Narcissus names would be welcome...

Best wishes

Ian & Carole B

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Re: SRGC Seed Exchange - note re name changes to Narcissus in previous lists.
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2019, 06:18:40 PM »
I'm sorry Ian I think I can't cite any authority on the Narcissus genus. This list of names is the result of a group of amateurs that have verified in the field many of the species that the supposed authorities have published.

Just one example Narcissus cordubensis. Most of you are growing Narcissus jonquilla subsp. cerrolazae, that was introduced under Narcissus cordubensis, which is ivalid. In the type locality the only species that you can find is a simple Narcissus fernandesii. So, like you I also request.... help!! :) :)
« Last Edit: November 19, 2019, 06:24:11 PM by Rafa »

 


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