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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #420 on: September 05, 2009, 10:29:19 PM »
Kath Dryden used to say, to tell the difference, plant 'em outside... if it's africanum it'll die  ;)


 Helpful photos, Diane, thanks  8)
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #421 on: September 05, 2009, 11:07:56 PM »
Kath Dryden used to say, to tell the difference, plant 'em outside... if it's africanum it'll die  ;)   

Yes, I've heard this one.  I do protect my largest plant, because I've had it a long time and don't want to risk it, but all my africanum seedlings and young plants were frozen solid in my Access frame last winter (down to -9C) and there were no losses.  I suppose outside (literally) is a different matter.  But take a look at the tuber - it's often pretty clear.
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #422 on: September 05, 2009, 11:11:59 PM »
  But take a look at the tuber - it's often pretty clear.

 Yes, and shows how easy it would be for water to collect in the "bowl" and cause rot.  :-X
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #423 on: September 06, 2009, 09:22:33 AM »
David, could you post a picture of the white cyclamen's leaf, please?
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #424 on: September 06, 2009, 12:31:22 PM »
David, I agree with Diane, your plant is almost certainly Cyclamen hederifolium. I have never seen or heard of a white C.africanum, apart from in seed lists. As for determining the species by tuber shape I agree  that is always a pretty good guide, if for example you grow C.africanum from Jim Archibalds seed list which originates from his collection from the Kabylie area in Algeria the tubers are always concave on the top surface however there are exceptions, I also have a plant collected in Tunisia by John Thompson from Montpellier and the tuber looks exactly like a C.purpurasens tuber.
Frustrating when you dont get what you were hoping for but at least you still have a nice plant.....
I think the relationship between C.africanum and C. hederifolium merits further study both in the field and laboratory.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #425 on: September 06, 2009, 05:57:10 PM »
A few more.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #426 on: September 06, 2009, 06:53:00 PM »
Thanks Diane and Melvyn for responding. Pic of a leaf is below as requested by Diane.

The leaves are not fully developed yet. If I were to take a look a tuber now, rather than waiting until the next re-pot, would I be likely to damage growth in any way? I have four pots with two tubers in each and all survived last years bad winter in the greenhouse when I lost four pots of two year old Cyclamen rohlfsianum.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #427 on: September 07, 2009, 02:51:40 PM »
Very fine pictures (and plants) everyone!
Thanks Diane for the pictures of C. africanum :D - now I only have to find the one growing together with all the hederifoliums... (the label dwindled away long ago  ::))

Cyclamen rohlfsianum always starts the cyclamen season here.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2009, 03:11:03 PM by Hans A. »
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #428 on: September 07, 2009, 04:49:11 PM »
Some different forms of Cyclamen graecum in flower now and a Cyclamen cilicicum

First two Cyclamen graecum ssp graecum
Cyclamen graecum ssp candicum
Cyclamen graecum ssp anatolicum
Cyclamen cilicicum
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #429 on: September 07, 2009, 04:57:40 PM »
Thanks Diane and Melvyn for responding. Pic of a leaf is below as requested by Diane.

The leaves are not fully developed yet. If I were to take a look a tuber now, rather than waiting until the next re-pot, would I be likely to damage growth in any way? I have four pots with two tubers in each and all survived last years bad winter in the greenhouse when I lost four pots of two year old Cyclamen rohlfsianum.



David  - I have  some hederifoliums with identical markings.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #430 on: September 07, 2009, 06:52:16 PM »
Hello all, I find this topic very interesting as I have what i was told is C africanum and it is
white,It was at last Octobers AGS show at Loughborough and on the online show,
It always flowers without the foliage,
The plant in the picture is last year as it is just coming into flower,I hope i get the size right

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #431 on: September 07, 2009, 07:41:14 PM »
Cyclamen hederifolium confusum

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #432 on: September 07, 2009, 07:58:13 PM »
Very nice indeed Michael.

Tony, confusing ain't it, and I see you got a third in the On Line Show too. Hope someone doesn't rush in now and give you a NAS card ;D
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #433 on: September 07, 2009, 08:25:10 PM »
Hello all, I find this topic very interesting as I have what i was told is C africanum and it is white,It was at last Octobers AGS show at Loughborough and on the online show, It always flowers without the foliage, The plant in the picture is last year as it is just coming into flower,I hope i get the size right

The size is right, Tony, the plant looks good.  Can you post a picture of the side view of the plant please?
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #434 on: September 07, 2009, 09:26:20 PM »
A picture to show the variation in some Cyclamen hederifolium flowers.

From left to right from Mt Olympus Greece,Langada Pass Greece,Kiouri Forest Greece, Gargano Italy
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