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Wim de Goede

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« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2010, 07:17:47 PM »
These where good for a Gold Medal on the KAVB judging in Lisse Monday 17 May

Narcis Little Flick
         Diamond Ring
         calcicola Small Form
         Chiva
Ipheion Alberto Castillo
           Jessie
          unflorum Charlotte Bishop
Tulipa bakeri Lilac Wonder

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« Reply #76 on: May 26, 2010, 06:43:12 PM »
This is what is in flower at the moment

Allium Eos
Dichelostemma No B-01-01-08 is a selection of Dichelostemma capitatum
Hyachinthiodes algeriensis
Muscari argaei Alba
Muscari microtonum

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« Reply #77 on: May 27, 2010, 03:15:35 AM »
This is what is in flower at the moment

Allium Eos
Dichelostemma No B-01-01-08 is a selection of Dichelostemma capitatum
Hyachinthiodes algeriensis
Muscari argaei Alba
Muscari microtonum

Wim, what can you tell me about Allium 'Eos'?
Mark McDonough
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Wim de Goede

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« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2010, 07:40:50 PM »
This is what is in flower at the moment

Allium Eos
Dichelostemma No B-01-01-08 is a selection of Dichelostemma capitatum
Hyachinthiodes algeriensis
Muscari argaei Alba
Muscari microtonum

Wim, what can you tell me about Allium 'Eos'?

Hi Mark,

I made a mistake with the name, it is not Allium Eos but Allium Camelion, I got this allium from Wayne Roderick years ago it is American native I think.
I give the name Camelion because it chance from collor white to pink,it is about25 - 30 cm high and it has hairy leaves.
I hope I have informed you enough.
Wim

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« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2010, 04:18:10 AM »
This is what is in flower at the moment

Allium Eos

Wim, what can you tell me about Allium 'Eos'?

Hi Mark,

I made a mistake with the name, it is not Allium Eos but Allium Camelion, I got this allium from Wayne Roderick years ago it is American native I think. I give the name Camelion because it chance from collor white to pink,it is about25 - 30 cm high and it has hairy leaves.
I hope I have informed you enough.
Wim

Thanks Wim, but actually it raises more questions.  First, the spelling seems strange; probably should be "Chameleon" for the lizard that can change its skin color.  Second, I googled and googled, using their advanced search to exclude other plants named "Chameleon" such as Euphorbia, Houttuynia, Arum, and others, but can find no reference to a Allium 'Chameleon'... the only thing I can find is to use your spelling of "Camelion", but then the links are just to your records.  The fact the leaves are hairy is perplexing, if indeed the named plant is a cultivar of an American native.  What native species could it be that has hairy leaves?  Do you have any close-up photos?  Any photos of the hairy leaves?  Any photos of the bulbs?
Mark McDonough
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« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2010, 12:35:53 PM »
This is what is in flower at the moment

Allium Eos

Wim, what can you tell me about Allium 'Eos'?

Hi Mark,

I made a mistake with the name, it is not Allium Eos but Allium Camelion, I got this allium from Wayne Roderick years ago it is American native I think. I give the name Camelion because it chance from collor white to pink,it is about25 - 30 cm high and it has hairy leaves.
I hope I have informed you enough.
Wim

Thanks Wim, but actually it raises more questions.  First, the spelling seems strange; probably should be "Chameleon" for the lizard that can change its skin color.  Second, I googled and googled, using their advanced search to exclude other plants named "Chameleon" such as Euphorbia, Houttuynia, Arum, and others, but can find no reference to a Allium 'Chameleon'... the only thing I can find is to use your spelling of "Camelion", but then the links are just to your records.  The fact the leaves are hairy is perplexing, if indeed the named plant is a cultivar of an American native.  What native species could it be that has hairy leaves?  Do you have any close-up photos?  Any photos of the hairy leaves?  Any photos of the bulbs?
Hi Mark,
Here two picture of the leave of Allium Cameleon,as you see it is hairy on the edge of the leave.
Here some more information of this allium,it was regetrated in 2008 for the Nomenclature and in 2009 it was regetrated at the Board for Plant varieties under the name Allium Cameleon.
Cameleon is written in France but means the same as Chameleon in Englisch.
This is all the information I have but I see now that I wrote Cameleon with a i but that is wrong sorry.
Wim

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« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2010, 02:47:31 PM »
Hi Mark,
Here two picture of the leave of Allium Cameleon,as you see it is hairy on the edge of the leave.
Here some more information of this allium,it was regetrated in 2008 for the Nomenclature and in 2009 it was regetrated at the Board for Plant varieties under the name Allium Cameleon.
Cameleon is written in France but means the same as Chameleon in Englisch.
This is all the information I have but I see now that I wrote Cameleon with a i but that is wrong sorry.
Wim


Thanks Wim, it still remains a puzzle.  I did find a link to a grower in the Netherlands that lists both Allium Cameleon and Allium Eros... both being trademark names versus regular cultivar names.  The fact the plant has hairy leaf margins adds to the mystery, as I do not know of any American native species that matches that characteristic.  There is some resemblance to Allium unifolium, although that species does not have hairy leaf margins.  My guess is, that Allium Cameleon® is not derived from an American native allium species.

Here are the links I found:

http://www.bulbs-bollen.nl/index.php?item=allium&action=page&group_id=9&lang=EN

Allium Cameleon®
http://www.bulbs-bollen.nl/index.php?item=allium-cameleon_reg_--per-st__a-piece&action=article&group_id=9&aid=13&lang=EN
time of flowering: June-July
height: 25-30 cm

Allium Eros®
time of flowering: June-July
height: 30-35 cm

Question, when plants are registered for Trademark, doesn't the actual species need to be identified as part of the registration informatiion, so that if different color forms are selected and named there isn't confusion and chaos, but some semblance of taxonomic order and correctness?  Maybe I'm being naive.

Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA (near the New Hampshire border)
USDA Zone 5
antennaria at charter.net

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« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2010, 08:10:57 PM »
Hi Mark,
Here two picture of the leave of Allium Cameleon,as you see it is hairy on the edge of the leave.
Here some more information of this allium,it was regetrated in 2008 for the Nomenclature and in 2009 it was regetrated at the Board for Plant varieties under the name Allium Cameleon.
Cameleon is written in France but means the same as Chameleon in Englisch.
This is all the information I have but I see now that I wrote Cameleon with a i but that is wrong sorry.
Wim


Thanks Wim, it still remains a puzzle.  I did find a link to a grower in the Netherlands that lists both Allium Cameleon and Allium Eros... both being trademark names versus regular cultivar names.  The fact the plant has hairy leaf margins adds to the mystery, as I do not know of any American native species that matches that characteristic.  There is some resemblance to Allium unifolium, although that species does not have hairy leaf margins.  My guess is, that Allium Cameleon® is not derived from an American native allium species.

Here are the links I found:

http://www.bulbs-bollen.nl/index.php?item=allium&action=page&group_id=9&lang=EN

Allium Cameleon®
http://www.bulbs-bollen.nl/index.php?item=allium-cameleon_reg_--per-st__a-piece&action=article&group_id=9&aid=13&lang=EN
time of flowering: June-July
height: 25-30 cm

Allium Eros®
time of flowering: June-July
height: 30-35 cm

Question, when plants are registered for Trademark, doesn't the actual species need to be identified as part of the registration informatiion, so that if different color forms are selected and named there isn't confusion and chaos, but some semblance of taxonomic order and correctness?  Maybe I'm being naive.



Mark , www.bulbs-bollen.nl is our webshop so it not strang you saw it on that site and what about the origin, we can not ask Wayne anymore but it is almost for sure that they are American native.
Wim

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« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2010, 01:20:42 PM »

Mark , www.bulbs-bollen.nl is our webshop so it not strang you saw it on that site and what about the origin, we can not ask Wayne anymore but it is almost for sure that they are American native.
Wim

The problem is, there are no American native species with hairy leaves that I am aware of, so the plant you show with hairy leaves has to be from elsewhere.  Possibly it was a plant grown by Wayne Roderick, as you say we can't ask him anymore, but surely he grew non-American-native plants too, and surely there are other ways to find out from the living what one is actually growing.  If you still believe it is an American species, please tell us which species.

It is my opinion, of which I'm 99% sure, that Allium Cameleon® is not an American native species.  The mystery remains as to what it really is.
Mark McDonough
Massachusetts, USA (near the New Hampshire border)
USDA Zone 5
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« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2010, 06:56:05 PM »
Some more picture of bulbs who are in flower yet.

Allium falcifolium
Hyacinthoides vincentina
Nectaroscordum Tripedale
Ornithogalum reverchonii
Scilla litardieri
Triteleia ixiodes Starlight

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« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2010, 07:13:36 PM »
Here I am again, I like to show you 5 item who are in flower yet

Dichelostemma Pink Diamond a wild hybrid between D, ida-maia x D, conjustum that is what people tell ??
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Muscari comosum White form
Allium nigrum Pink form from Creta
Muscari massayanum

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« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2010, 10:21:30 PM »
The winner there Wim, MUST be Muscari massayanum. :D
Lesley Cox - near Dunedin, lower east coast, South Island of New Zealand - Zone 9

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« Reply #87 on: July 04, 2010, 06:58:33 PM »
The winner there Wim, MUST be Muscari massayanum. :D
Yes Lesley it is a wonderfull plant but not easy to grow, special it increase very slow but still we keep traying

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« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2010, 01:28:13 PM »
I show you a better form of Ixia panaculata what we have named Ixia Eos and I show you Albuca minima I think the smalest Albuca

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« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2010, 01:51:09 PM »
I will tray again with the Ixia