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Regelian

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #210 on: May 13, 2011, 09:51:09 PM »
here is a Daphnis Saunders hybrid, I beleive it is Marchioness. (label disintergrated!) It has taken a while to get going, but seems to have come into its stride this year.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #211 on: May 13, 2011, 10:33:57 PM »
Jamie ,

Marchioness is not a Daphnis breeding - it is from Prof. Saunders (1942 )

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #212 on: May 14, 2011, 12:39:29 AM »
Marchioness sounds like a name that would be Daphnis but then so does Vesuvian. I made the mistake of grabbing a Vesuvian before making sure it was a Daphnis.  I was disappointed when I learned it was not.  I attempted to cross pollenate both this spring to see what I will get.  I used Reath A-198 pollen on Vesuvian and Joseph Rock SD pollen on Marchioness;  I am not sure Marchioness is a good pod parent.  I do hope Joseph Rock is a viable pollen parent;  I used it on several yellows hoping for a decent yellow with large purple flares.      
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #213 on: May 14, 2011, 01:09:03 AM »
Leon,

I have pollinated one flower of ostii with ludlowii, which, depending on the book, is a variety of lutea.  I also, used it to pollinate a huge japanese white, Hakuo-jishi, as well as some rockii hybrids.  In 5 years or so, I'll let you know what happened.  ;) ;D

Jamie,

I just noticed what you said above; it didn't register when I originally saw it.  You have reversed the cross.  Daphnis and Gratwick learned by experience that the cross you made, Suffructicosa X Lutea results in 1 in 50,000 possible seedlings.  Not good odds.  The cross using P. lutea should be accomplished via Lutea X Suffructicosa.  Once you get to the F1 stage then you can try using Lutea Hybrid as the pollen parent.

Somewhere on Walter Good's website there is the story behind Daphnis and Gratwich discovering this.  As I recall the one seed that succeeded became Zephyrus.

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #214 on: May 14, 2011, 07:35:01 AM »
Hans,

thanks for the correction.  I had Ariadne in my head as I wrote, which I lost two Winters ago.  Pity, as it was expensive.

Leon,

I have made most of my crosses with ludlowii as the seed parent and it looks like I have quite a few takes.  I had never read this problem with the reverse using lutea.  Interesting and there is certainly something to research, here.  I've not looked at mouton chromosomes and it may well be worth a look.

As I am using P. ludlowii (from Kelways), a 2m tall plant, it may make a difference in the progeny.  Although there is apparently a clear difference between lutea and ludlowii, I've never had the two next to each other.  Perhaps I should get some lutea seed just to do a comparison.  I do grow quite a few plants of delavayii, all from seed and most likely unpure, as the seed came from the Cologne Flora Botanical Garden, where P. lutea, P. delavayii, P. potanini and P. ludlowii all grow together.   Not necessarily named, either, but their stature and habit truly seperates them.  The P. delavayii is 1.8m, with P. potanini about 80cm to 100cm. with coppery flowers instead of deep brown-red.

Here is a shot of P. peregrina, also from seed, this time from Berlin-Dahlem, found lying on the walkway.  A very satisfying species with uniquely coloured blossoms.  The foliage is extremely attractive, as well.  I have some more seedlings which have matured to P. anomola with very good substance and strong, deep peony pink.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #215 on: May 14, 2011, 05:55:27 PM »
Wild Paeonia tenuifolia in Voronezh area two days ago.



Strange one.



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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #216 on: May 15, 2011, 12:02:07 AM »
THANK YOU Olga!

Fantastic!

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #217 on: May 15, 2011, 10:06:26 AM »
Amazing pictures ! Thanks for sharing them with us
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #218 on: May 15, 2011, 07:11:43 PM »
Dear Oakwood,

Is this a real Paeonia tenuifolia alba which I have seen on your picture? Never seen this one, only the var. rosea...

Dear Olga, thanks for posting this marvelleous meadow. I love to see peoys in the wild! :-)
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #219 on: May 15, 2011, 11:29:58 PM »
Olga, what a fantastic picture of all the P. tenuifolia plants.  Your large packet of seed was well distributed. I hope....... ;D

And a white one as well. That's a small marvel. :D 8)
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #220 on: May 16, 2011, 03:18:54 AM »
Gorgeous peonies, everyone!
What an absolutely stunnning sight, Olga!  :o

Could you please tell me if this peony would be P. intermedia also?   I received it as P. tenuifolia but I always assumed it must be some sort of hybrid, until I saw this thread.
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #221 on: May 16, 2011, 03:44:29 AM »
Dear Oakwood,

Is this a real Paeonia tenuifolia alba which I have seen on your picture? Never seen this one, only the var. rosea...

Dear Olga, thanks for posting this marvelleous meadow. I love to see peoys in the wild! :-)

That is an amazing find of tenuifolia in the wild.  Absolutely beautiful.

I don't think the second and third photo is P. tenuifolia 'alba'.  I may be offbase here but I actually think this particular plant may have suffered spring freeze damage.  The bulb would have been just out of the ground and in early development when an untimely freeze arrested some of the development.  The petals could have been killed and all that remained of the bloom is the central boss of stamen.  The foliage on this plant looks damaged also.     I have seen this happen before with tree peonies but I have not seen this with tenuifolia.   It does seem possible.  The problem may have affected only plants that were a bit more advanced than others. 

Do other of you agree or am I way offbase here?

Leon
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #222 on: May 16, 2011, 05:02:32 AM »
Thank you friends!
P. tenuifolia is a flower of my childhood. I like it very much...

Leon
I just can say it is not P. tenuifolia.  :-\

Paeonia tenuifolia Alba shown by Oakwood was found by friends of our friend Sergey Banketov. Here are some more pictures made by Sergey.





Another one with white throat.





Plants were not frozen. :) Albino form really exists. :)
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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #223 on: May 16, 2011, 05:28:50 AM »
Olga,

These are amazing finds.  The alba form looks very nice.  Those tenuifolia with white markings are very unusual.  Were the plants of red with white markings found near the white form?

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Re: Paeonia 2011
« Reply #224 on: May 16, 2011, 06:58:10 AM »
Thank you, my dear Olga  ;). It is God's truth all you wrote and shown here above on albino form of P. tenuifolia that I grow now at me in the garden  :-*  :-*  :-*
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